Posted on 11/16/2004 4:52:07 AM PST by Gritty
Translations of ' martyrdom letter ' carried by killer - Death threat letter to cabinet minister Geert Wilders
November 5, 2004
MIM: Below is the english translation of the letter which was stuck into the body of Theo Van Gogh with knife . Beneath that letter is the one which was found on the terrorist who killed him and hoped to be shot and martyred. Today the NRC Handelsblad published an 'open letter' which the killer had written to Geert Wilders a member of the Dutch cabinet. The original text and translation are also to be found below:
The letter can be seen as a "Jihad Manifesto" since the killer refers to himself as the "Emir van de Muhajideen"
These writings show conclusively that the Islamists are living in a parallel universe . This letter should be a wake up call for all of us to see that militant Islamist killers are dwelling among us. In the following days MIM will publish translations of articles which will explain the phenomenon of how such an Islamist who went to Dutch schools was able to fester and infect Dutch society with his deadly poison. After the killing 8 other Muslims living in Holland were arrested. A statistical study of percentage of potentially lethal Muslims in Holland shows that there are 50,000 militant Islamists presently at large.
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MIM: In an unprecedented move these letters were published by the NRC Handelsblad - the Dutch version of the Wall Street Journal.
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Open letter to Hirshi Ali
In the name of Allah - the BeNeficent - the Merciful
Peace and Blessings from the head of the Holy Warriors - the laughing killer Mohammed Rasoeloe Allah -(Sala Allaho alahie wa Sallam) his family and his companions who will steadfastly accompany him till on the Day of Judgement .
There is no agression except for agression against agressors.
The following:
Peace and blessings on those who follow the Leader .
This is an open letter on a fundamentalist unbeliever,Ayaan Hirsi Ali. from the Thaghoet Party VVD.
Dear Mrs Hirshi Ali,
Since your appearence in the Dutch political arena you have been constantly busy criticising Muslims and terrorising Islam with your statements. You are hereby not the first and not the last and also won't be the last to have joined the crusade against Islam.
With your attacks you have not only turned your back on the Truth, but you are also marching along the ranks of the soldiers of evil. U are not putting your hostility towards Islam under chairs and benches and therefore your masters have rewarded you with a seat in parliament. They have found in you an ally who gives them all the "powder" so that they dont have to dirty their own hands. It appears that you are blinded by your burning unbelief and in your rage you are not able to see that your are just an instrument of the real enemies of Islam.
You are being used by all the enemies of Islam to siphon all kinds of hostilities towards the most noble person (Mohammed Rasoeloe Alla).
Mrs. Hirshi Ali, I don't blame you for all of this, as a soldier of evil you are just doing your work.
The fact that you so openly spill out your evil is not because of you yourself, but the Islamic Ummah. She has as her task to resist injustice and has let evil go on and has been blissfully asleep. All of your hostility towards Islam is therefore the fault of the Islamic Ummah.
This letter is Insha Allah (God willing) an attempt to stop your evil and silence you forever.These writings will Inshallah cause your mask to fall off.
I would first like to begin by your recently launched proposal to screen Muslims regarding their ideology on job applications.
Your proposal is very interesting, even more because the implementation of has brought out the rotten face of your political masters (when of course it was honestly tested on them and they openly make their ideology known).
It is a fact that Dutch politics is dominated by many Jews and is a product of the Talmudic Schools, as is also the case with your colleagues in your political party.
Seeing as that you always propagate "the hand on one's own chest" we would first like to test this proposal on you yourself. The same politics which through it's policies has joined in the terrorism against Islam and Muslims.
I would very much like to put to you the following question:
What do you think about the fact that van Aartsen and their ideological counterparts see non Jews as not being human?
Baba Mezie 114a -114b :Only Jews are people ("Only you are called (the) people") Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub heading ("Oil of annointing") and Berkath 56a in which Gentile (non Jews) are called women animals ( "female donkeys")
Ybamoth 92a : All Gentile children are animals
What do you think of the fact that the Mayor of Amsterdam is at the helm of and ideologie whereby Jews have to lie to non Jews? Baba Kamma 113a : Jews may use lies ("listen") to mislead gentiles .
What do you think of the fact that you are part of a government that supports a State which pleads for genocide ?
Sofarim 15, line 10 (Minor Tarcctates): This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tod shebe goyim herog) ("Even the best gentiles must be killed")
Seeing as that you are a champion of equal rights, you should, (after this knowledge has come to you) plead with your Jewish masters to reject the teachings of the Talmud. You will most likely make it a point to deliver the same plea to the Jewish community in the Netherlands.
Your appearances reveal your lack of courage now and then when you are asking for attention for your struggle. You even had the cowardice to ask Islamic children in school to choose between their creator and the constitution.
You immediately used the answer of these pure young souls to justify the arguments behind your crusade. With these hostilities you have unleashed a boomerang effect and you know that it is only a question of time until this boomerang will seal your fate.
You have the chances now, misses Hirshi Ali, once and for all to carve your own notch in the pages.
There is but one certainty in our entire existence, and that is that everything comes to an end.
A child who comes into this world and fills the universe with his first cries of life, will finally leave this world with a death rattle .
A blade of grass which can stick out of the dark earth and is touched by the sunlight and fed by falling rain , will finally rot into dust and disappear.
Death, Mrs. Hirshi Ali , is a shared theme of everything that exists. You, I and the rest of creation cannot get loose from this truth.
There will come a Day when one soul will not be able to help another soul. A Day of horrible tortures and painful tribulations which will go together with with the terrible cries being pressed out of the lungs of the unjust .Cries. Mrs. Hirshi Ali, which will cause chills to run up someones spine, and cause the hair on their head to stand straight up. People will appear to be drunk with (with fear) even though they arent drunk. On that Great Day the atmosphere will be filled with FEAR.
When the sun will be rolled up.
When the stars fall.
And when the mountains will be moved.
And when the beasts of burden will be left behind.
And when the sea will be brought to a boil.
And when all souls will be united.
And when the girl who was buried alive will be questioned.
About every sin for which she was killed.
When the pages will be flung open.
And the sky will be dripping .
And the heavens will be dripping.
An when the Djahim (Hell) will be set aflame.
And when Paradise will be brought closer by.
Then the soul will know what it has performed. (81:1-14)
On that day man will flee from his brother .
And the mother from the father.
And the woman from her children.
And everyone of them on that Day shall have an occupation which is enough for them.
Faces (of the unbelievers) will be covered with dust on that Day.
And they will be ringed in darkness.
These are the sinful unbelievers .(80:34-42)
Of course you as an unbelieving extremist dont believe in the scene which is described above. For you this is just a fictitious dramatic piece out of a Book like many. And yet, Mrs.Hirsi Ali, I would bet on my life that you will break into a SWEAT OF FEAR when you read this.
You, as unbelieving fundamentalist, of course dont believe in a Higher Power who runs the universe.
You dont believe in your heart, with with you repudiate the truth, that you must knock and ask this Higher Power for permission .
You dont believe that your tongue with with you reject this Higher Power is subservient to his laws.
U dont believe that this Higher Power grants life and Death.
If you really believed in all of this , then you would not find the following challenge a problem.
I challenge you with this letter to proof that you are right : You dont have to do much for that :
Mrs. Hirshi Ali :Wishes Death if you are really convinced that you are right.
If you accept this challenge, you will know that my Master, the Most high, has exposed you as a bearer of lies.
"If you wish death, then you are being truthful". But those who never wish to die, because of what their hands (and sins) have brought forth".
And Allah is the all knowing over the purveyors of lies .(2:94-95).
To prevent myself of having to the same wish coming to me as I wish for you, I shall wish this wish for you:
Mijn Rabb (master) give us death to give us happiness with martyrdom.Allahoemma Amien.
Mrs.Hirshi Ali and the rest of you extremist unbelievers.Islam has withstood many enemies and persecutions throughout History. Whenever pressure was put on Islam is it only a fire which fans the flames of belief. Islam like an extinct plant,which has been formed into a diamond through years of high temperatures and pressure.An extinct plant which was formed over the trials of time into the strongest precious stone on earth. A hard stone upon which will defeat any attempts to break it to pieces.
AYAAN HIRSI ALI YOU WILL BREAK YOURSELF TO PIECES ON ISLAM!
You and your friend know full well that the present day Islamic youth are raw diamonds that need to be polished, so that they can diffuse the light of Truth. Your intellectual terrorism will not prevent this, on the contrary, it will hasten this.
Islam will be victorious through the blood of the martyrs .They will spread it's light in every dark corner of this earth and it will drive evil with the sword if necessary back into it's dark hole.
This struggle which has burst forth is different then those of the past. The unbeliving fundamentalist have started it and Inshallah the true believers will end it.
There will be no mercy shown to the purveyors of injustice, only the sword will be lifted against hem.No discussions, no demonstrations, no petitions: on DEATH will separate the Truth from the Lies.
Verse: Be warned that the death that you are trying to prevent will surely find you, afterwards you will be taken back to the All Knowing and He will tell you what you attempted to do". (62:8).
And as a great Prophet once said :
"And I surely know that you, O Pharoah, will be destoyed". (17:102).
So will we use the same names and send this out ahead of us, so that the heavens and the stars will receive this news and this will be spread as a tidal wave throughout all the corners of the universe.
"I surely know that you, O America, will be destroyed ".
"I surely know that you O Europe, will be destroyed"
"I surely know that you O Holland will be destroyed"
"I surely know that you, O Hirshi Ali will be destroyed"
"I surely know that you, O unbelieving fundamentalists, will be destroyed "
Hasboena Allah wa ni3ma alwakeel.
Ni3ma al alMawla wa Ni3ma anNaseer.
Saifu Deen alMuwahhied
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MIM translation :
"The suspects farewell letter : This is the actual letter that the killer who is suspected of the murder of Theo Van Gogh had with him ...
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Drenched in blood these are my final words...
Pierced by bullets...
As I had hoped...
I am leaving a message behind...
For you ...the fighter ....
The tree of Tawheed is waiting...
And longing for your blood....
Take up the challenge....
And Allah will help you overcome....
He gives you the garden...
In place of this earthly rubble....
To the enemy I also have something to say...
You will certainly try to resist ...
But even if you go on a Tour of the world...
Death is Lurking right behind you ...
The Horsemen of DEATH are at your heels...
And the streets will be covered red with Blood ...
To the hypocrites I say will end with this :
Wish for DEATH or else keep quiet ...and sit...
Dear brothers and sisters I am nearing the end...
But with this my story is not ended....
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What you say is perfectly correct. GWB did respond to the attack on the Twin Towers however he did not identify the enemies correctly as you say.
We are trying to eliminate the Nazi leaders and Japanese warlords without attacking the countries sponsoring those killers - same thing regarding Islam.
Your Dates are off - facts are off and your naivete about Muslims is way off! Were you so completely indoctrinated in your Western Civ course in college taught by some deluded Marxist?
You need to look at the history books my friend and ask yourself about what happened to all the Christians who used to live in the Middle east including Asia Minor and North Africa...where did they go?
If we do not hold fast against the Muslim threat, some lonely Christian in the future will ask the same about America...where did the Christians go?
I have no doubt I am. People hate to have their presumptions challenged. And they are your presumptions as I will elaborate on as this progresses.
As far as my reading goes, of late I've been through "Crisis of Islam" by Bernard Lewis...the acknowleged western authority on Islam, "What's So Great About America," by Dinesh D'Sousa, "Hatred's Kingdom," by Dore Gold, "The End to Evil," by Pearl and Frum, and many hours of lectures by both apologists and critics.
You consider yourself moderately well informed, but by what standard do you draw that conclusion? A third grade student may consider himself "good at math" without ever even knowing what the word "Algebra" means. You won't claim to be an expert on the current subject, but where do you qualify your opinions as largely conjecture? It's not that you don't think you have the problem backwards, it's that you don't like to think you have the problem backwards.
Let's take a small example. You cite "western imperialism" as a primary factor for the extreme antipathy towards us. Would you be so kind as to define exactly what you are calling "western imperialism?" Empires have very definte characteristics, none of which we exhibit. If a duck doesn't walk, talk, or swim like a duck, what would it take for you to admit the emperor has no clothes? (excuse the mixed metaphor)
Furthermore, you dismiss the "freedoms" argument because you don't appreciate it's implications. The reason they call us "the great satan" is because satan is a tempter, and that is exactly how they are applying the term to us, and to a lesser extent, Israel.
...it still comes down to they hate us because we helped to create a Jewish homeland (and for the various other acts in the region, there are lots).
You are ignorant of history. Believe it or not, the primary supporter at the creation of Israel was the Soviet Union. It was only after Stalin figured out England was no longer the primary western power, but rather America, that the USSR withdrew it's support for the problematic little British mandate. We didn't start substantive support for Israel until the 60s. If you read historians instead of watching TV you'd know that.
I have to break for a few hours, but I'll finish my reply with my next post.
I REALLY want to know how my dates are off. Please, please explain THAT to me.
As far as the Middle East and Africa go, I agree that years of Muslim domination greatly reduced the number of Christians and Jews in the region (though it did not completely emliminate them, think of the Copts).
As far as holding fast against the Muslim threat, I don't know exactly what you mean by that, so I can't repond to it directly. I personally don't think it's very likely that Christianity will die out in American any time soon, however.
"You consider yourself moderately well informed, but by what standard do you draw that conclusion? A third grade student may consider himself "good at math" without ever even knowing what the word "Algebra" means."
I think the phrase I used was "moderately well informed citizen." Which would be more equivalent to the third grader saying "I am good at math for a third grader." I hold no special expertise on the subject, but I probably know more about it than the average American citizen. Pretty clear.
"Western imperialism" is an overused phrase, and I did hesitate to use it. But you can't say that the history of the ME has not been shaped by imperialism.
It is certainly true that many Muslims see western ways as a negative influence on their society, but I would argue that the primary radicalizing issue is Isreal. As far as the origins of the Isreali state, I admit I am not an expert. But I do know that we are closely associated with Isreal in the eyes of both the Muslim world and the world in general.
And I spend about 6 hours a day reading historians. Just not historians of anything pertinent to this discussion.
I've got to jump in here for a sec.
This is where the argument about the koran vs the OT goes wrong.
Islam has not yet had a Reformation, as western religion did.
Until that happens, until its adherents realize that they are living by ancient ideas, we in the west will be regarded as infidels who must be destroyed, and I'll make no bones about it, that is exactly what is being taught in the Saudi-financed madrassas.
It has nothing to do with the US supporting Israel, in itself. Israel didn't exist before 1948.
Islam has been warring with the west for over 1000 years.
We could drop our support of Israel tomorrow, and that would change nothing. Israel would still be in the crosshairs to be pushed into the sea, and the west in general would still targeted for conquest.
One of their goals is an Islamic Republic of the US. However long it takes, world domination is the ultimate goal.
Here's a quote from the early 1970s, from a former president of Algeria, Boumedienne: "We will conquer your countries through the wombs of our women."
If they cannot do it militarily, they will do it with the slow immersion method.
People have to understand that there is nothing we can do to change the thinking of 1.2 billion moslems. The movement for reform of islam is going to have to start within islam.
If you're a student now at a university, Mike, I hope you'll take a look at this important project:
http://www.campus-watch.org/
Our college students today are being purposely misguided by quite a few of their professors. That website gives information about the issue.
Texasbluebell: I have to say I don't disagree with you, for the most part. My point about the Koran was meant to counter a fairly extreme argument, as was much of my "hyperbole" earlier in this thread.
"People have to understand that there is nothing we can do to change the thinking of 1.2 billion moslems. The movement for reform of islam is going to have to start within islam."
I both agree and disagree here: I agree that the reform of Islam cannot be imposed by us, but there are certainly things we can do to help it along! As I have argued earlier, we need to support "moderate Islam" against the extremists, rather than writing off the whole religion as "animals."
BTTT
...and I said
Good = Truth/Love
Evil = Lies/Hatred
He emailed me back and said, "f**k you."
Was he by any chance employed by a US MainStream Media organization? They seem to be similarly confused.
Quite a way from where you think it leaves us. You see Islam teaches it's adherents that faithful practice will result in mastery over all opponents. This has not been the case for over three hundred years. Indeed, they have fallen further and further behind the west, so moslems have been forced to conclude their practice has been unworthy, or their religion is false. (Their theology has run smack into an irreconcilable difference with reality.) For a religion that executes dissidents, which do you think they've choosen?
To do this, we do need to help establish a relatively sound peace in Palestine, one that moderate muslims can at least accept, if not agree with.
You say the words, but do you know what they mean? What is Israel doings to them that inflames even the moderates? Israel absorbed all the jews fleeing the arab countries. Why do the arab countries refuse to absorb the palestinians? If the arab states are so distressed by the palestinian plight, why are they forcibly denying the same grievances for the Kurds?
it would be nice if you would present a position of your own, instead of just attacking mine.
I'm not attacking your position. I'm attacking your presumption. Does it make any sense to attempt to explain a quadratic equation to our third grader who keeps insisting "you can't do math with letters!"
You invest quite a bit of modifying power in one simple noun. Wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to admit you only have a pedestrian awareness of the subject?
"Western imperialism" is an overused phrase, and I did hesitate to use it. But you can't say that the history of the ME has not been shaped by imperialism.
When your only tool is a hammer all your problems are called "nails." This observation has less than nothing to do will the current situation, and I consider it sophomoric to even attempt to inject it as an mitigate.
... but I would argue that the primary radicalizing issue is Isreal
Then by all means, proceed!
But I do know that we are closely associated with Isreal in the eyes of both the Muslim world and the world in general.
And for good reason, but I would argue that association in the mouths of critics more resembles Dashel associating Rush Limbaugh with the Washington Times than any real offense perpetrated against them.
A short history of this conversations:
Geekdejure: "We should kill all the Muslims"
smcmike: "That is sick, you are sick"
Geekdejure: "How dare you call me sick you Muzzle-em dog"
smcmike: "I'm sorry, I shouldn't have called you sick. Your ideas are though."
papertyger: "What could convince you that Geekdejure is correct"
smcmike: "nothing, his ideas are repulsive"
papertyger: "That is hyperbole, and you're closed-minded (for not accepting that we should kill all the muslims?)
smcmike: "Um, I don't think that not wanting to kill a third of the population of the planet is closed-minded, here are some attempts to prove that through logic."
papertyger: "I'm not arguing that we should kill all muslims, and your logic is stupid. You aren't worth talking to since you refuse to give up your firmly held beliefs."
smcmike: "Oh, I see, you are changing the argument. In that case, I agree with you somewhat, I guess. Here is what I think we should do."
papertyger: "Your argument is a cliche! We don't have to apply western rules of fairness when judging muslims! Tell me what you have read! They call America the Great Satan! They are fighting against democracy and human rights, which you obviously have no understanding of!"
smcmike: "You caught me, I am not an expert on the subject. Most Muslims see US support of Isreal as the primary problem in US-Muslim relations. What do you think we should do about this problem?"
papertyger: "I have read lots of books! (a nice reading list though). Therefore, you are a third-grader! Wild, wild mixed metaphor! We are not imperialists! Russia helped found Isreal, and you are a TV-watching idiot for suggesting that it is a sore point in US-Arab relations!"
papertyger: "Islam has problems. The Isrealis have been nothing but accomodating to the Palestinians. I refuse to offer a position of my own because you are too stupid to understand it, you third-grader you."
smcmike: "Um... ok... I was trying to argue killing all the muslims might not the best approach to this problem, and most certainly is not a moral one. Your argument so far has been that you have read lots of books, and that therefore I should be open to the idea that we should kill all the muslims?"
"Wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to admit you only have a pedestrian awareness of the subject?"
Um, in a sense, that is what I did. As I said, I am a moderately well-informed citizen, and I stand by that. I don't want to argue this point anymore, because it is a very stupid argument for one as well-read as yourself to be having.
Maybe I am stupid though, because I have no idea what this is supposed to mean: " I consider it sophomoric to even attempt to inject it as an mitigate."
Are you claiming that the US does NOT have a close association with Isreal? That the Arab world is incorrect in this assumption? If so, by all means, proceed!
Really, give me one positive argument, just one. I'm begging you.
Do you always throw temper tantrums when you aren't coddled? I was actually beginning to gain a measure of respect for you with your moderating tone.
I jumped into this because your only response to geek was varying iterations of incredulity, and ever hotter rhetoric. Geek does indeed sound like a nut, but he at least grasps the magnitude of the problem. And truth to tell, I don't think it would take much to convince him to moderate his position provided one shows a willingness to address the problem as it exists. You on the other hand, show no such clarity. It shouldn't take much to show him wanton butchery is wrong. But how does one reach a person like you, who imagines we can negotiate with people for whom "honor killing" makes sense?
Can I look forward to you actually addressing the substantive questions I posed rather than another petulant outburst?
Can you blame me? Your tone has alternated between condescending and insulting (and a combination of the two), after you interrupted my nice little flame-war without warning.
However, the point that you raise is still valid, I suppose, though saying that Geek's argument is more reasonable than mine is more than a little bit silly. As far as the magnitude of the problem, maybe you could clarify it for me? I think it's pretty big, but apparently you think it's bigger?
And yes, I do think that it is possible to negotiate with people for whom "honor killing" makes sense, within certain boundaries. Do we have much choice?
A short history of this conversations:
(the LIES)
Geekdejure: "We should kill all the Muslims"
smcmike: "That is sick, you are sick"
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(the TRUTH)
Geekdejure: I NEVER, EVER said: "We should kill all the Muslims"
smcmike: "That is sick, you are a sick f*ck!"
Again, I repeat -- So am I suggesting we declare war on over 1 million billion Muslims? The question is moot – Islam has declared war on the rest of the human race. When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins???
WAKE UP, smcmike !!! It's time for the Infidel population of America to take back our Judeo-Christian based society... and that means WAR with the worshipers of the death cult pagan moon god Allah, and his child molesting, head chopping prophet, Mohammud (may he forever rot in pig fat in hell) !!!
Once again, I apologize to you. I had forgotten that it was eleni who said the following "I have come to the realization that either conversion or death will solve the problem," not you. You simply want to declare war on Islam and deport all muslims. I'm sorry for mischaracterizing your wacky views.
If one side is fighting for peace and brotherhood, and the other side is fighting for death, which do you think think will prevail? My bet is on the side of peace and brotherhood. If both sides are just fighting for death, I'm not all that interested in who wins.
My condescension and insult are an unfortunate by-product of my less than stellar efforts to resist getting bogged down with answering your "spin" on damn near every point that confutes your assertions.
Sorry 'bout that.
For the answer to what other choice we have I think we can look to history. The Soviet Union was able to keep radical islam in check, and that without killing all of them. Mustafa Kamal Ataturk of Turkey also managed to drag his country, kicking and screaming, into the modern era.
How this was accomplished I'd leave as an exercise for the student. Suffice to say, it was NOT through radical egalitarianism, nor gentle persuasion.
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