Keillor: Born-agains should not have right to vote

WorldNetDaily ^ | Posted: November 15, 2004 | World net daily

[JustAnotherOkie]

Speaking in the aftermath of the presidential election, Democrat radio host Garrison Keillor says he is on a quest to take away the right of born-again Christians to vote, saying their citizenship is actually in heaven, not the United States.

Keillor, host of the popular National Public Radio show "A Prairie Home Companion," made the comments during a speech at Chicago's Rockefeller Memorial Chapel and during his radio monologue the Saturday after the election.

[reformed_democrat]

And now, this with Land's End.

I sympathize. I love their waterproof slip-ons. I make a special trip to Chicagoland to shop at their outlet store.

OK, ok . . . what about L.L. Bean? I'm not even gonna look at the web site until the company has FReeper clearance. I can't take the disappointment . . .

[MissAmericanPie]

Surely he was kidding.

[Chena]

It is NOT fair for a born-again Christian to be disliked and disrespected just because SOME of the born-agains are extremists. Maybe that's how moderate Muslims feel. Interesting, is it not?

[borntobeagle]

Yes, L.L. Bean needs inspection now too. I'm afraid of the bad news I may find. I love their jackets and their khaki pants for my Husband.

I wish these companies would just sell their stuff and not get so politically involved. They could better use their profits on other agendas.

[reformed_democrat]

Good News, BTB!

My unreformed_republican husband just reminded me Corners no longer owns Land's End. Sears bought them out.

Whew. Thought I was going to have to forgo those cute new Marinac boots.

[borntobeagle]

Oh...I hope you are right!! I don't want to give this valuable shopping experience up.

[Chieftain]

Why is this bigot allowed to be on the public airwaves?

Because good intentioned but very misled LIBERALS, like my 75 year old father, actually enjoy him and send their money every month to support them! This is the response I got from my dear sweet DemocRAT dad when I sent him this article from WND...

" I agree with Keillor. I don't see how so many American voters could have been taken in by the Republican Party's propaganda machine. Never have I seen such a propaganda machine since the days of Adolph Hitler. I'm sorry , but I just can't swallow what they put out and I truly feel sorry for all those that did. I only hope they have the resources to survive what is being heaped upon them in the name of patriotism."

I responded this way to him, "We are polar opposites... I saw the same thing to the same degree from the Democratic side! I guess that happens between generations. Probably why politics and religion aren't discussed at family gatherings, huh?".

[Ethan_Allen]

'(Where are we going in this handbasket?)'

Exd 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Hbr/8/8.html ]

Exd 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. See here:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Exd/19/6.html

Eze 36:24 — For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eze/36/24.html

Deu 11:24 — Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu011.html#24

Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#29

Our side is winning:

'As we sift through all the post-election commentary and finger-pointing, one thing emerges clearly: Religious beliefs are important to American voters—and, hence, to politicians.'

Who Are the Real Christians? Religion and the Coming Debate
BreakPoint with Chuck Colson http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1280591/posts

[Ethan_Allen]

'(Where are we going in this handbasket?)'
__________________________________________

'No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn.

This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD,

And their vindication is from Me, declares the LORD. (Isa. 54:13-17)'

'The River of Life is flowing now (John 4:14; 7:37-39), and it will continue to flow in an ever-increasing stream of blessing to the earth, healing the nations, bringing an end to lawlessness and warfare through the application of Biblical law (Mic. 4:1-3). This vision of the Church's glorious future, earthly and heavenly, mends the fabric that was torn in Genesis. In Revelation we see Man redeemed, brought back to the Mountain, sustained by the River and the Tree of Life, regaining his lost dominion and ruling as a priest-king over the earth. This is our privilege and heritage now, definitively and progressively, in this age; and it will be ours fully in the age to come. Paradise is being restored.'

(Chapter 23)
PARADISE RESTORED
A Biblical Theology of Dominion
David Chilton
http://www.freebooks.com/docs/html/dcpr/Chapter23.htm

Starts here:
http://www.freebooks.com/docs/21de_47e.htm

[Ethan_Allen]

From the intro to Paradise Restored: '....In this powerful book, David Chilton sets forth extensive biblical evidence for the historic Christian view know as postmillennialism - the teaching that, **before the Second Coming of Christ, the world will be successfully evangelized and discipled to Christianity.'


'About the Author: David Chilton, (1951-1997) M.Div., Ph.D., "Christian reconstructionist" author of three books on eschatology, Paradise Restored (1985); Days of Vengeance (1987) [ http://freebooks.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/2226_47e.htm ]; The Great Tribulation (1987). After completing the second edition of Paradise Restored in 1994, he embraced FULFILLED prophecy. [see **The Second Coming of Christ http://www.preteristarchive.bravepages.com/StudyArchive/co-ncsc.html ] He died unexpectedly in 1997 due to a heart attack. He was in his mid-forties.' excerpt: http://www.presence.tv/cms/books30.shtml

[Constantine XIII]

What's he got a against Norwegians?

They have to be the most inoffensive people in the universe. O_o

[Ethan_Allen]

'the world will be successfully evangelized and discipled to Christianity.'

[but internet ads like the one currently on the Second Coming page will not help to achieve that goal. 'Retrieve a lover with our powerful love spells'??? preteristarchive.com, what were you thinking? I apologize for them.]

[Mr. K]

Let them keep talking !!!!!!!


The people who voted for W know they are not right-wing religious nuts and resent being portrayted this way.

[JustAnotherOkie]

Not likely... and don't call me Shirley.

[webstersII]

Typical leftist Christophobe,.

We should get this term into mainstream usage. It's important for people to understand his views and that term sums it up nicely.

[Ethan_Allen]

I almost missed your comment.

You said

'....In the history of the world, how many people have been killed in the name of religion, or for religious freedom. This country is founded on religious tolerance and acceptance of all religions, not just the ones that view the world as a Born-Agian Christian does. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that view, it is just seems to outsiders that born-agian Christians, seek to impose their view on what is right on everyone else, regardless of their beliefs. Who is to say that born-again Christians are right. Look to Ireland, were Catholics are waring with protestants. Both believe in Christ, and use his name to justify their position. This fanaticism is what I think Keillor was referring to. He was not disparaging all Christians, but wanted to point out that religion, while important, does not belong in politics, and that religion in politics can never lead to a good result, because there allegiance is not to the United States, but to God, and their view of God, which seems to contradict the freedoms that this country stands for. I think he is saying that not everyone believes in Christ, and you know what, they have every right to their beliefs, without undo hardships.

We all need to get along, and be accepting and tolerant of each others religious beliefs, and not polarize this nation across religious lines. There is nothing wrong with expressing your beliefs, and preaching the lords word, but when it starts to infringe on the rights of others, who do not necessarily believe the same thing we do, we must draw a line....'

I agree with most of what you said, and as a fellow Christian, I am not going to bash you, but are you aware that this country was founded in the name of Christ, and is predominately Christian, and while we set up a government that offered tolerance of all religions, some of those who do NOT except the majority religion in this country have used our tolerance and our good-will and so subverted 'the law', that we could become criminals in our own land? I am referring to the so-called Noahide Laws, which trash the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In point of fact, the Noahide Laws are rule by the Scribes and Pharisees, which Christ set us free from. That, my dear Christian, is what this is all about. Please take some time to do a little research on this subject. You can start here:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/supplement/noahide/Lubavitch-1991-1992-102ndCongress.htm
'.....Whereas Congress recognizes the historical TRADITION [my emphasis] of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;

'Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws; ....'

'...return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws...'


Do you see what I'm saying? We have been informed by our Congress that our nation and our rights descend not from God, not from the Bible, but from some mystical [and MYTHICAL!!] 'Noahide Laws'.

Do you know what that means?

It means we must set up Noahide Courts: http://www.noahide.com/courts.htm

Noahide Courts will not guarantee equal justice for all but will look like this:

'....Jewish courts (the batei dini of the rabbis) will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha;....' http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm

'...The Law contains two parallel (but separate) paths for the world: 613 commandments for the Jews, and 66 commandments (contained in the 7 Noachide Laws) for gentiles....' The Law Is Only a Minimum http://www.noahide.com/minimum.htm

'..To prepare the way for establishing proper Noachide courts of law, Noachides must make a special effort--beyond all other Torah studies--to learn, in detail, the exact requirements of every part of the Noachide code. This is a difficult, long-term task, because the details of the Noachide laws apply to every possible situation in life. But a thorough learning of the Noachide halachos will open the door for selecting G-d-fearing ***Noachide judges for the future courts. This project can begin immediately with the study of the existing books on the Noachide laws, and will later be followed up with rabbinically-supervised yeshiva programs that still need to be organized....' http://www.noahide.com/minimum.htm

***Noachide judges means Masonic judges. Do a search and see how the people of Great Britain have awakened to the havoc wreaked by masonic judges, lawyers, and police, whose first loyalty is not to the citizens or even 'the law' but to the brotherhood.

Christians will take a back seat, if they are allowed to live at all: http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm and http://www.noahide.com/xmas2.htm . Note method of execution: http://www.noahide.com/lawslist.htm

You will be instructed how to pray: http://www.noahide.com/prayer.htm

Your children will be given a 'proper Torah education'
http://www.noahide.com/minimum.htm

You will be required to help them in preparing 70 bulls for sacrifice and then you will be expected to stand around and clap:

'...Sukkos: [T]he seventy bulls offered as mussaf sacrifices throughout the holiday of Sukkos correspond to the seventy nations of the world. Each day the number of bulls sacrificed decreased indicating how the "goyishe" tendencies of the gentiles must always decrease and how it is necessary for them to take on a different identity, one associated with the fulfillment of the seven commandments given to Noach and offering aid and assistance to the Jewish people.... Also, this is associated with the Haftorah read this morning which mentions the Messianic prophecy describing how the holiday of Sukkos will be celebrated by all the nations. Similarly, our celebration of Simchas Bais Hashoevah will also have an effect on the gentiles. Not only will they not disturb the celebrations, they will assist in preparing the celebrations. Furthermore, they will be inspired to participate by standing on the side and clapping and the like....' http://www.noahide.com/rebbe.htm

Are you catching my drift here? I'm all for tolerance, but it seems that OUR tolerance has won for us SLAVERY. [see http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ch/2Ch020.html#11 ]

So where do we go from here? That is the true question that will play out in the coming years, and I think it has finally started to take a turn in the right direction, but it ain't over yet. President Bush has appointed an Attorney General who he made a point of emphasizing would enforce 'the rule of law'. How come no one ever says enforce the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Ever ask yourself that? President Bush follows this new 'rule of law'. He has issued 4 proclamations extolling 'Education Day', a euphimism for 'Noahide Day'.

The Scriptures say:

Isa 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, [those] nations shall be utterly wasted. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa060.html#12

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/60/12.html

And I DON'T think destruction is what He intends for America: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#top

Keillor's statements reflect the undercurrent that has been undermining 400 years of Christian civilization in the United States. I'm surmising that the other side has awakened to the fact that they have 'a problem', because Christians are coming awake to the truth of who they are - the Israel of God. Thanks to God and Mel Gibson, we may have set them and their agenda back 40 years, according to Abe Foxman. Or maybe they are set back for good, and will have to set up their Noahide kingdom someplace beside the US. We can include them here, but we can't let them displace us. And we won't. Simple as that.

[Ethan_Allen]

euphimism = euphemism

[ethical]

That was just funny.

[Ditto]

"...at Chicago's Rockefeller Memorial Chapel"

Ironic since J.D. Rockefeller was an Evangelical Baptist.