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Vindicating the Serbian People: An 'Aerial' Counter-Attack
Serbianna ^ | Friday, November 12, 2004 | T.V. Weber

Posted on 11/12/2004 5:28:06 AM PST by Calpernia

The last of Clinton’s bombs fell on Serbia over five years ago. But now, America is focused on another war, so that the media in the U.S. can treat Clinton’s debacle in the Balkans, and its ongoing aftermath, as though they were yesterday’s news. It is easy to see why the American public has not yet come to terms with a number of vital issues connected with those events.

Unanswered Questions in the Balkans:

Where is the evidence of “ethnic cleansing” in Kosovo - and where are those “mass graves”?

Each war gets a different media “spin.” The direction of “spin” depends upon whether the media intend to help or to hurt the current administration. For several years, the U.S. media have been relentlessly harping upon the question of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, and demanding to know whether any of them have been found. We know that Iraq once had them. We know that they once used them. We know that Iraq did not side with the U.S. in the so-called “war on terrorism.” (Considering that radical factions of Islam have declared war on the U.S., it is a nonsequitor to declare war on a tactic rather than an enemy. See Rip Snortin' Van Winkle & Strange Bedfellows--Then and Now for our earlier comments.) We know that Saddam Hussein publicly offered large sums of money to the families of suicide bombers. Yet we keep encountering the same public expressions of outrage in the U.S. Many continue to ask, “Where are those weapons that were supposed to be in Iraq?”

Well, Serbia was never allied with anyone who attacked the US—never ever! Out of the blue, the Clinton-dominated media began concocting tales of “ethnic cleansing” that accused the Serbs of atrocities comparable to those of the Third Reich. As the war against the Serbian people raged on, the American public was fed a steady diet of what were purported to be “aerial photos of mass graves.” So, five years later, where are those “mass graves”?

Why won’t the current administration in the U.S. denounce Clinton’s support of bin Laden’s allies in the Balkans?

We are getting almost daily reports of the ongoing mess that has followed the Bushes’ war in Iraq. This is a valid concern. Many have pointed out the dismal failure of America’s attempt to force its own idea of “democracy” on the Iraqi people.

But where is the outrage over the mess that US foreign policy has made in Kosovo? The people that the U.S. and its NATO allies were allegedly fighting to protect were, and still are, the worst violators of minority rights on the planet.

Following my article, The Tale of Two Shquiptars, I heard from a number of individuals who claimed to be young Albanians. They all engaged in polite dialog. They all told me, in one way or another, that Islam played no role in the reasons for the conflict between their people and the Serbs in Kosovo. They also scoffed at my claims that al-Qaeda and the KLA had any connection with that war. In every other way, their stories diverged so much that they each seemed to be talking about a different conflict. Most of them asked me to set the folks at Serbianna straight.

After I referred them all to the detailed information available on Emperors Clothes at Bin Laden in the Balkans, none of them could give me a cogent reason to doubt the information presented there. Since then, we have received permission from Emperors Clothes to post the data on our website, www.tvweber.com, also, at www.tvweber.com/binLaden_KLA.htm. So why won’t the current administration in the U.S. denounce Clinton’s support of bin Laden’s allies in the Balkans?

Taking It to the Air

One of the reasons for getting my book to press was that it would afford an opportunity to vindicate the Serbs. The title of the book, The Crumbling Wall Against Tyranny: a/k/a The United States Constitution, does not give the slightest suggestion that there is anything in it that would remotely relate to the Balkans. Even so, in the span of seven pages, the reader sees a clear link between Clinton’s radical Muslim allies in the Balkans and the perpetrators of the 9-11 attack upon the United States. Those tragedies exemplify what can happen when the president is permitted to flout the Constitution with impunity, and to usurp powers not granted to the Presidency under the Constitution.

Using talk radio, we now have a chance to get these messages to the Christian people in America. It is my personal “aerial attack” upon the misinformation and propaganda that bombards us all.

Hence, among the suggested questions for discussion that my publicist sends to radio talk show hosts is: “Why do you call President Clinton, ‘al Qaeda’s man in the White House?’”

With the world listening, I explain in concise, “sound bite” language that Clinton conducted a war against the Christian people of the Balkans, on behalf of bin Laden’s allies. I don’t even need to say the word “Serb.” Some listeners understand immediately; others will need to think about the message first. But a Christian audience should have no trouble getting the message.

If the Crumbling Wall Falls, Tyranny Reigns

My book is about the American system of government, how it should work, and why it no longer works so well. It roundly condemns the actions of those U.S. presidents who have—contrary to their Constitutional status—assumed the powers that allowed Clinton to launch his war against the Serbian people without interference from Congress.

Only Congress has the power to declare war, and there had been no declaration of war, yet Congress sat back and let the war continue. It is illegal for a President to do as Clinton did; yet the American people accepted it. Neither Congress nor the American people attempted to stop him.

The potential for tyranny is great when one man can single-handedly start a war and no one dare raise a hand to stop him.

America at the Crossroads

The bitterness of the 2004 campaign season is one more piece of evidence that the US has lost its Constitutional moorings. Every four years, we can each offer a miniscule degree of input regarding who our next dictator will be. Except for those who have already resigned themselves to the idea of being, in effect, slaves to the government of the United State (intentionally leaving the “s” out of “States), and those who feel that the U.S. is beyond hope, citizens are in absolute horror over the outcome of each election.

With the Clinton administration long out of power, it is time for America to make amends. Both Democrats and Republicans need to take an honest look at Clinton’s failed foreign policy and assume responsibility for setting matters aright.

With the President’s new administration about to begin, there is absolutely NO excuse for retaining anyone in the federal government who still considers the Serbs to be “war criminals,” the Russians to be our “geopolitical rivals,” and the KLA and Bosnian Muslim fanatics to be our “friends.” It is not our purpose to raise the issue of the Constitutional definition of treason, which was once a capital offense rather than a prerequisite for entry into America’s self-styled elite. But it is entirely reasonable to insist that the federal government cease to employ those people in any position of public trust!

The administration needs to look for honest and capable people who are free of racist bigotry against Slavic peoples, and free of religious bigotry against Orthodox Christians. It may even be necessary to recruit candidates from sources other than the Ivy League, the University of Chicago, or the Beltway “think tanks,” which evidently have become breeding grounds for their own particular prejudices and distorted worldviews.

The Serbs have been an ally of the U.S. since there was a free Serbia in the 19th century. Isn’t it time to renounce Clinton’s failed Balkans policy, apologize to the Serbian people, and restore the lands that they have lost due to the wrongful intervention of the American military?

If not, let us remind you of the slogan, “Serbia, the land where empires die.” Who would have expected the once-mighty empire of the Ottoman Turks, the Austro-Hungarian empire of the Hapsburgs, and the formidable Nazi empire of the Third Reich, all to become extinct after picking on tiny Serbia? On what basis do the American government and people claim to be the sole exception to the principles of history and of common sense that apply to everyone else? Is America too blinded by vainglorious pride to see that it is following the same downhill path that landed its old enemies in the dustbin of history?

Far better for the US to swallow its national pride, repent of its errors, and join hands with Serbia in heartfelt cooperation—so that al-Qaeda can be the next empire to die in the Balkans rather than America’s empire.


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To: Jane_N
That report was accurate. But it fails to provide justification for the Serbian government rounding up civilians and executing them. And for those who feel the need to equate the KLA with AL Qaeda, notice that among the prisoners taken, there were no beheadings and they all eventually returned alive.

I still contend that the Serbian government abdicated its right to rule over these people when its actions became destructive to the rights of the people.
81 posted on 11/13/2004 7:40:14 AM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: Calpernia

Finally, someone is talking about this. The American people did not react because most had not caught onto the fact that the MSM lies to their faces.

A full half of Americans do not know that it is the congress that must declare war, such is the state of public education.

We went into that war on the wrong side, and for the wrong reasons. The Serbs, who died for us in WW2, may never forgive us for our actions, but we sure need to ask for that forgiveness, and we certainly need to pay reparations for the damage our bombs inflicted.


83 posted on 11/13/2004 7:58:08 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Paratrooper_501

"notice that among the prisoners taken, there were no beheadings and they all eventually returned alive."

SO why is this included in the ICTY Indictment against "FATMIR LIMAJ, HARADIN BALA, AND ISAK MUSLIU" if all prisoners taken were returned alive?

"It is further alleged that on a date after 24 June 1998 but before 26 July 1998, KLA forces under the command and the control of Fatmir Limaj and Isak Musliu beat, tortured and murdered a number of Serb, non-Albanian and Albanian detainees at the prison camp. Haradin Bala and Isak Musliu participated in or aided and abetted in the murder of a number of detainees."

http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2004/p910-e.htm


84 posted on 11/13/2004 8:01:03 AM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: oso blanco
You both say you were there and you know what you saw, fine I believe you. But what we were told by the news media over here isn't adding up to what you say you saw over there. We were fed a pack of lies by the news media.

The whole conspiracy theory about Racak was started by the French. There were a whole lot of reporters there that day including the French reporter who was with us on the day it happened. The following morning inside Racak he continually asked me if this was a "massacre". I didn't answer that, leaving that designation to the diplomats, but he seemed pretty convinced that day that what he was seeing was the same as what we were seeing. A week later, he came back to me with a bunch of conspiracy related questions trying to pin the blame on the KLA. I stuck by my story but was ignored and the French press printed their absurd theory. With that one exception, the reporters I saw reported the facts which reinforce my observations.

The problem in the USA is that the facts were taken in the newsrooms to fill many days of commentary on all the networks. During this commentary they hired "so called" experts to opine on the story. Many of these experts didn't know what they were talking about, weren't there, had agendas, and relied on the ridiculous French report for their information. Unfortunately, many people took their OPINIONS as fact.

As to how far we should trust French reports, they are the same ones that posited the theory that an airplane did not crash into the Pentagon on 9-11. LOL
85 posted on 11/13/2004 8:21:50 AM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: Jane_N

That happened before I was there and I don't have any knowledge of it. However, I make no excuses for atrocities committed by anyone. If it is true they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.


86 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:24 AM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: mark502inf

The reason I took Waco as an example is that it is the most recent "action" that has taken place on AMERICAN soil. As I said before Kosovo was Serbian at the time (and STILL is). If you know of any more recent actions, please inform me.


87 posted on 11/13/2004 12:21:51 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: oso blanco

"A "MASSACER" of 45 people isn't enough to go to war over"

It does make you wonder why no one went to war over Rwanda considering a much higher number of people were massacred there.


89 posted on 11/13/2004 1:04:24 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Paratrooper_501

First of all I apologise for my suspicions towards you, but you can't blame a girl for being careful :)

"However, I make no excuses for atrocities committed by anyone"

The type of crimes committed by these three in the ICTY indictment had been going on for quite a while as you can see from the actual indictment:

"after years of increasing tension and violence, armed conflict commenced between Serb forces and the Kosovo Liberation Army ("KLA") in Kosovo. This development was consistent with the KLA’s generally militant approach of active, armed resistance to Serb rule in Kosovo.

Together with Serb civilians, Albanian civilians who were perceived by the Kosovo KLA either as refusing to cooperate with or resisting the KLA by non-military means were targeted for intimidation, imprisonment, violence, and murder."

Yet only these 3 people have been indicted. Now that's what gets me "p***** off" with everything about the Balkans. Most people that I have spoken to in reality that have served with Swedish battalions there have said that all sides committed thier fare share of atrocities, there are no angels in this picture.

I'll agree that Serbs forces did kill more than the other sides, but that is kind of understandable considering they had access to the full military supplies of the Yugoslavian army.

But that does not excuse the demonisation the Serbs have recieved from the mainstream media. That does not excuse the fact that there are only three Albanians indicted by the ICTY or the very limited number of indictments against Croatians (considering what they did to the Serbs in Krajna) or the Bosniaks.

And as oso blanco stated: "A "MASSACER" of 45 people isn't enough to go to war over."

Oh and in case you are wondering, I am not Serbian. I am Australian. My tie to the Balkans is my Macedonian husband.


90 posted on 11/13/2004 1:45:06 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Jane_N

>>>I'll agree that Serbs forces did kill more than the other sides, but that is kind of understandable considering they had access to the full military supplies of the Yugoslavian army.

Nothing about what the Serb military/paramilitary did in Kosov@ is "understandable", and neither is your insistence on justifying their actions. People were murdered brutally for no reason other than their identity, and here you are Jane, day in and day out trying to deny these events occurred, and then justify when denial is no longer an option. What you are doing was wrong fifty years ago and it is just as wrong today.


91 posted on 11/13/2004 2:25:05 PM PST by GeraldP (Non-violence never solved anything.)
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To: oso blanco
I originally replied to this thread because of the accusation that Racak was a hoax. It was not. There were several other incidents in that time period though. One in particular was in a town SE of Dakovica where more than 20 civilians were killed by the police. There was also a systematic mistreatment of the people by the police where among other things they would stop them at checkpoints and extort their money. I will give the Serbian Police a small credit in that they generally mistreated the men and left the women and children alone.

Before the war there was no mass graves of hundreds or thousands of people in Kosovo. I tried to find evidence of this and there was none. The only thing the KLA told me was a mass grave was the site of an earlier alleged killing of about six civilians. They were going to take me there but we couldn't make it due to snow and poor mountain roads.

I think the allegations of mass graves and mass rapes came during the war. Whether they are true or not, I have no idea. Whether or not the killing of 45 civilians as part of a larger systematic pattern of abuse is enough to go to war over is a matter of debate. The US and NATO gave Milosevic plenty of warnings and plenty of time to clean up his act. That his troops were willing to commit the act at Racak while international observers stood there watching tells me that he was through listening to what anyone told him. So I ask you, what other choice could we have made? Either we stopped him with the only means left (military force) or we stood by and watched as future groups of civilians were killed.
92 posted on 11/13/2004 2:30:23 PM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: Paratrooper_501
No one saw any bodies the day the Serbs left. They had the rest of the afternoon and evening. Not one reporter or OSCE observer - who had the run of the village reported any bodies. None of the villagers there nor the KLA which returned immediately spotted or announced bodies.

About 17 hours afterwards and about 9:00 A.M. THE NEXT DAY, the bodies materialized as heavily armed KLA escorted reporters to the site.

And William Walker and the photographers walked all over the alleged crime scene - they moved bodies for shots and even placed white caps on some of their heads. This was noticed at the Hague - photos of people without the hats and then photos of those same with hats. Then it was admitted that the hats were placed to show they were civilians - at least that is what they wanted people to believe. Though, until they were caught, they never mentioned this tampering.

I say the bodies were moved in and placed during the night and early in the morning.

93 posted on 11/13/2004 2:34:28 PM PST by joan
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To: GeraldP
The Albanians justify killing and ethnically cleansing every last Serb and Roma, including women and children, due the overhyped allegations of Serb atrocities.

There was no systematic violence and ethnic cleansing of Albanians before the KLA.

The numbers of Albanians killed by Serbs, pre-KLA, say in the years 1990-1995, had to be negligible. Can you list any names?

94 posted on 11/13/2004 2:38:40 PM PST by joan
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To: joan
Sorry if this is kind of long, but it tells the story.

The Serbian attack ended late in the afternoon about 4:30 PM. At that time I and a few other observers in the area drove into the area near Racak to ascertain what had happened. I in particular wanted to check on a house (outside Racak) that a tank had been shooting at where we had seen people running around. It turns out the house had been hit but the civilians inside were not hurt. We also went in Racak and at that time I found only one man with the top of his head shot off. We had been there a very short while when we were called on the radio to meet with the regional OSCE Commander, a Canadian General, in Stimlje, about a kilometer north. By this time it was getting dark. After talking with him he asked us to drive in and find the KLA and ask them not to do anything in reprisal. I drove in to find them while the others went back into Racak. By now it was totally dark.

The local KLA was located in Petrovo, about 5 km south. I drove in the dark towards them and was stopped about 4 km south of Stimlje by a squad sized group of agitated KLA hidden next to the road. After they verified our identity we continued south to Petrovo. There I found the KLA deputy public affairs spokesman for that area and a KLA military policeman (MP) that had previously been acting as a translator (he spoke excellent English). They had no idea what was going on and mostly seemed happy to still be alive. I gave them the OSCE Commander’s message and after talking for a few minutes drove back to Racak.

The only people we found in Racak were (if I remember correctly) two women, an old man, and a ten year old boy, all with gunshot wounds. One of the observers gave them first aid and we asked them where everyone was. They had been hiding all day and did not know. They said everyone had run away and SIGNIFICANTLY they told us the MUPs had rounded up a bunch of the men and taken them away. At that time we assumed they had been taken away to jail and our intent was to enquire the next day to the regional Police Commander in Urosevac as to their whereabouts. I then loaded the four civilians in my vehicle and we took them to the medical clinic in Stimlje for treatment. The Serbian doctor treated them but the were afraid to stay there because of a police presence in the hospital. I then took them to Pristina and left them at the city hospital. We took their names and later gave them to the people in Racak so they would know where they were.

The next morning at first light, about 0730, I went back to Petrovo. I told the KLA that I wanted to go into Racak. I also asked if they knew how many had been killed; they did not. After about 30-45 minutes we started hearing reports that something bad had happened and I took the KLA MP in my vehicle and we drove back to Racak. There we found a local civilian man and asked him to take us around to where any bodies were. We walked up a hill about a hundred meters outside Racak and found the 24 bodies in a ditch; first one, then a few meters further another, and another, and then at the end of the ditch a whole pile of dead men all shot in the head. We also found empty cardboard cartridge boxes to indicate someone had reloaded their weapons at the site. Down the hill we found a dead man who had appeared to be running away. Back in the town we found numerous other dead people including two brothers shot while trying to run away, a man whose head appeared to have been blown off by a grenade, and another man whose head had been skinned. I also was told of (I think) six KLA who had been killed. I told them I didn’t need to document these as they were legitimate combatants killed in action. I saw no evidence to indicate that any of these bodies had been moved prior to my arrival, other than a few who had been taken back into their houses.

We spent a couple of hours documenting the evidence and sometime around noon I was told that Ambassador Walker and the press would be arriving soon. The OSCE guys were off looking at something so I (KDOM) met him when he arrived in Racak and took him and the press around to view the evidence. I then later took him to Petrovo to meet the regional KLA Commander after which he left. I then went back to Kosovo Polje and got drunk.
97 posted on 11/13/2004 3:39:58 PM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: oso blanco
Here in Georgia US Army tanks, anti aircraft guns, and companies of militarized police do not attack towns full of people.
98 posted on 11/13/2004 3:42:11 PM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: oso blanco

If you are trying to say that Waco and Ruby Ridge were a bad thing, I'm sure that many on this site, including me, would agree. I don't see any connection though between them and Kosovo.


99 posted on 11/13/2004 3:45:51 PM PST by Paratrooper_501
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To: Paratrooper_501
"We also went in Racak and at that time I found only one man with the top of his head shot off."

Why didn't you report this? What was his name?

100 posted on 11/13/2004 3:50:06 PM PST by joan
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