Posted on 11/10/2004 3:37:38 PM PST by no.radar
Chicago Tribune, 10 Nov 04 (Excerpt from article entitled "GIs punch into Fallujah center")...
"A U.S. psychological operations unit broadcast a message in Arabic over a loudspeaker in an attempt to draw out insurgents. 'Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us. Plant small bombs on roadsides. Attention, attention, terrorists of Fallujah.'"
Related Tribune article also reports of a Humvee with a loudspeaker blaring Richard Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries," the music used in the helicopter attack scene in "Apocalypse Now."
FINALLY...a war-effort contibution from Hollywood!
LOL!
Many Jews hate Wagner for that reason. I don't, but I'm Jewish. I also dont hate IBM, and a bunch of other things hat Hitler used (I think Ford). All I can say is that after say, about 60-70 years, it's kinda hard to have Jews still hating things like those, but the liberal Jews indoctrinate the new generation and make them hate these things.
Well... I am not really the one making the stretch. There is a reason why Wagner was forbidden to be played in Israel (and I think it still is though I may be wrong). Wagner was a serious anti-semitic and Hitler and the reich used to blare the music out all the time, especially before a big speech.
Also I believe the big NAZI propaganda film "Triumph of the Will" had pieces of Wagner in it (though I can't say for sure).
My point is that this particular composer has been associated with a lot of bad... not just NAZI's but poor old mad King Ludwig who made castles to live out his Wagnerian dreams while bankrupting his kingdom in doing so.
If you doubt what I am saying I suggest you look this all up yourself.
"What's Opera Doc" used bits of several of Wagner's operas, including The Ride of the Valkyries.
Wagner's compositions predated Nazism, and were pre-empted by it...I do not think it is any different than the William Tell Overature being used for the Lone Ranger theme, or Gieg's "Death of Asa" being used in Soylent Green, or the Blue Danube Waltz being used in Kubrik's 2001", or "Bolero" being used as the theme of "10".
True, Hitler was big into Norse mythology, the Thule Society, and all, but that was HIS problem, not Wagner's, though the support of him by Wagner's widow could have been explained in many different ways.
This is different; if you dont believe him, just go up to a bunch of Jews - if you ask a bunch of orthodox, you might get an angrier reaction - and tell them Wagner was a great composer and they should listen to him all the time. If you do this, you should understand what he is saying.
He was basically a complete a-hole with enough odious personality and psychological traits to fill several textbooks -- and his real father may have even been a Jew (irony of ironies). But the guy did write incredible music. Go figure. Beethoven was no sweetheart either.
Dude, you are reading waaay too much symbolism into "Ride of the Valkyryes" Apocolypse Now.
An overwhelming majority of folks know the tune but haven't a clue as to its origin. Like a guy said earlier, isn't that Bugs Bunny music?
And Saddam played the "Star Wars" theme over and over at his stadium rallies so I guess the notes are forever tainted by Saddam and represents all the hate and evil of his regime. Anytime we hear the song we should get angry all over again about Saddam. Isn't it great that Hitler and Saddam have control over what music we like or dislike?
"They'll take on an M-60 with a pocketknife if someone makes fun of their masculinity."
Their masculinity deserves nothing but mockery and contempt. When I heard that the most recent hostages, from Allawi's family, were two women and a 75 year old man, I just about lost it.
These are not men, these are not even faggots (excuse me!) these are cowards and bullies and they must be crushed, everywhere they fester.
GO BOYS! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
Well, I'm a big, big fan of Wagner's music, but there is no historical doubt about his virulent anti-semitism. He certainly made no effort to hide it. It really began to pollute his work the farther into his career you get. Meistersinger and Parsifal come to mind (although I would argue that you see glimmers of it in Alberich and Mime in the Ring as well).
I can hear the Coke bottles clinking now.....:)
Um... But Wagner was a very big anti-semite himself and wrote . If you have doubts do a Google and read some articles if you like.
Here is a quote of Wagner's from http://thescorp.multics.org/18wagner.html:
The "unwillk|rlich Abstossende" (involuntary repellence) which Wagner admits feeling towards the Jew is the repellence felt by Siegfried towards Mime. A few lines later Wagner writes,
"It is not necessary to underline the Jewish penetration of modern art; it hits you in the eyes and is self-evident at every turn...Our whole European art and civilization have remained to the Jew a foreign tongue..Judaism is the evil conscience of our modern civilization"
No Thanks. I have Jewish relatives, and know where that is coming from, and respect the reasons...There is no justification in p*ssing people off. But it is just that all people do not feel the same way. For example, the Horst Wessel song was written for a specific propaganda purpose, expressly for the use by that party. I doubt anyone could mispercieve or argue the motive for anyone singing it. This is the only distinction I was making.
It broke a 50-year taboo against performances of Wagner's music in Israel.
Barenboim, speaking in Hebrew, told the audience his encore would be the Prelude to "Tristan und Isolde." He told them they had the choice of staying to hear the music or leaving.
Some 50 people left. More than a thousand stayed. The Wagner piece concluded to thunderous applause.
Many people think that the anti-Semetic Wagner was "court composer" to Hitler. Actually, Wagner died some 50 years before the beginning of the Third Reich. His brilliant and spectacular innovations changed the whole course of 20th century music and opera composership.
Leni
point taken
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