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U.S. Army psyops unit to Fallujah insurgents: "Come and kill us."

Posted on 11/10/2004 3:37:38 PM PST by no.radar

Chicago Tribune, 10 Nov 04 (Excerpt from article entitled "GIs punch into Fallujah center")...

"A U.S. psychological operations unit broadcast a message in Arabic over a loudspeaker in an attempt to draw out insurgents. 'Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us. Plant small bombs on roadsides. Attention, attention, terrorists of Fallujah.'"

Related Tribune article also reports of a Humvee with a loudspeaker blaring Richard Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries," the music used in the helicopter attack scene in "Apocalypse Now."

FINALLY...a war-effort contibution from Hollywood!


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KEYWORDS: cajones; cojones; fallujah; iraq; psyops
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To: Poohbah

LOL!


81 posted on 11/10/2004 4:18:16 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: pyx

Many Jews hate Wagner for that reason. I don't, but I'm Jewish. I also dont hate IBM, and a bunch of other things hat Hitler used (I think Ford). All I can say is that after say, about 60-70 years, it's kinda hard to have Jews still hating things like those, but the liberal Jews indoctrinate the new generation and make them hate these things.


82 posted on 11/10/2004 4:19:23 PM PST by zahal724 (I own a lumber company? Want some wood?)
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To: pyx

Well... I am not really the one making the stretch. There is a reason why Wagner was forbidden to be played in Israel (and I think it still is though I may be wrong). Wagner was a serious anti-semitic and Hitler and the reich used to blare the music out all the time, especially before a big speech.

Also I believe the big NAZI propaganda film "Triumph of the Will" had pieces of Wagner in it (though I can't say for sure).

My point is that this particular composer has been associated with a lot of bad... not just NAZI's but poor old mad King Ludwig who made castles to live out his Wagnerian dreams while bankrupting his kingdom in doing so.

If you doubt what I am saying I suggest you look this all up yourself.


83 posted on 11/10/2004 4:19:42 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: no.radar
'Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us. Plant small bombs on roadsides. Attention, attention, terrorists of Fallujah.'" Oh yeah, and allah called, said all your promised 72 virgins are on backorder.
84 posted on 11/10/2004 4:20:05 PM PST by JakeSladder
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To: no.radar
Not that our boys are surrounded....I just love this!


85 posted on 11/10/2004 4:23:39 PM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: Ruth A.
Is this the same piece that Bugs Bunny used?

"What's Opera Doc" used bits of several of Wagner's operas, including The Ride of the Valkyries.

86 posted on 11/10/2004 4:24:38 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: trashcanbred
I am not overcome with joy that we would be playing Wagner... if anything the Arabs would love to hear music from someone who equally hated the Jews.

Wagner's compositions predated Nazism, and were pre-empted by it...I do not think it is any different than the William Tell Overature being used for the Lone Ranger theme, or Gieg's "Death of Asa" being used in Soylent Green, or the Blue Danube Waltz being used in Kubrik's 2001", or "Bolero" being used as the theme of "10".

True, Hitler was big into Norse mythology, the Thule Society, and all, but that was HIS problem, not Wagner's, though the support of him by Wagner's widow could have been explained in many different ways.

87 posted on 11/10/2004 4:25:51 PM PST by Gorzaloon (So begins my new KERRY-FREE ™ Taglines. Oh Relief!)
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To: Poohbah
This guy caused aliens to explode in Mars Attacks...


88 posted on 11/10/2004 4:28:39 PM PST by Minnesocold ("It takes passion to hate President Bush, not knowledge.")
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To: Ruth A.

89 posted on 11/10/2004 4:28:50 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Gorzaloon

This is different; if you dont believe him, just go up to a bunch of Jews - if you ask a bunch of orthodox, you might get an angrier reaction - and tell them Wagner was a great composer and they should listen to him all the time. If you do this, you should understand what he is saying.


90 posted on 11/10/2004 4:29:26 PM PST by zahal724 (I own a lumber company? Want some wood?)
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To: trashcanbred
Wagner was a serious anti-semitic and Hitler and the reich used to blare the music out all the time, especially before a big speech.

He was basically a complete a-hole with enough odious personality and psychological traits to fill several textbooks -- and his real father may have even been a Jew (irony of ironies). But the guy did write incredible music. Go figure. Beethoven was no sweetheart either.

91 posted on 11/10/2004 4:30:20 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: trashcanbred

Dude, you are reading waaay too much symbolism into "Ride of the Valkyryes" Apocolypse Now.

An overwhelming majority of folks know the tune but haven't a clue as to its origin. Like a guy said earlier, isn't that Bugs Bunny music?


92 posted on 11/10/2004 4:30:43 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: All

And Saddam played the "Star Wars" theme over and over at his stadium rallies so I guess the notes are forever tainted by Saddam and represents all the hate and evil of his regime. Anytime we hear the song we should get angry all over again about Saddam. Isn't it great that Hitler and Saddam have control over what music we like or dislike?


93 posted on 11/10/2004 4:31:33 PM PST by proust
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To: TexasCowboy

"They'll take on an M-60 with a pocketknife if someone makes fun of their masculinity."

Their masculinity deserves nothing but mockery and contempt. When I heard that the most recent hostages, from Allawi's family, were two women and a 75 year old man, I just about lost it.

These are not men, these are not even faggots (excuse me!) these are cowards and bullies and they must be crushed, everywhere they fester.

GO BOYS! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!


94 posted on 11/10/2004 4:32:23 PM PST by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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To: Gorzaloon
Wagner's compositions predated Nazism, and were pre-empted by it.

Well, I'm a big, big fan of Wagner's music, but there is no historical doubt about his virulent anti-semitism. He certainly made no effort to hide it. It really began to pollute his work the farther into his career you get. Meistersinger and Parsifal come to mind (although I would argue that you see glimmers of it in Alberich and Mime in the Ring as well).

95 posted on 11/10/2004 4:35:00 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: F16Fighter

I can hear the Coke bottles clinking now.....:)

96 posted on 11/10/2004 4:35:29 PM PST by Salamander (Pirates of the Appalachians)
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To: Gorzaloon

Um... But Wagner was a very big anti-semite himself and wrote . If you have doubts do a Google and read some articles if you like.

Here is a quote of Wagner's from http://thescorp.multics.org/18wagner.html:

The "unwillk|rlich Abstossende" (involuntary repellence) which Wagner admits feeling towards the Jew is the repellence felt by Siegfried towards Mime. A few lines later Wagner writes,

"It is not necessary to underline the Jewish penetration of modern art; it hits you in the eyes and is self-evident at every turn...Our whole European art and civilization have remained to the Jew a foreign tongue..Judaism is the evil conscience of our modern civilization"


97 posted on 11/10/2004 4:35:59 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: zahal724
This is different; if you dont believe him, just go up to a bunch of Jews - if you ask a bunch of orthodox, you might get an angrier reaction - and tell them Wagner was a great composer and they should listen to him all the time.

No Thanks. I have Jewish relatives, and know where that is coming from, and respect the reasons...There is no justification in p*ssing people off. But it is just that all people do not feel the same way. For example, the Horst Wessel song was written for a specific propaganda purpose, expressly for the use by that party. I doubt anyone could mispercieve or argue the motive for anyone singing it. This is the only distinction I was making.

98 posted on 11/10/2004 4:39:05 PM PST by Gorzaloon (So begins my new KERRY-FREE ™ Taglines. Oh Relief!)
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To: no.radar
In August, 2001, conductor Daniel Barenboim, a Jew and an Israeli citizen, shocked the world by playing music by composer Richard Wagner in a concert auditorium in Israel.

It broke a 50-year taboo against performances of Wagner's music in Israel.

Barenboim, speaking in Hebrew, told the audience his encore would be the Prelude to "Tristan und Isolde." He told them they had the choice of staying to hear the music or leaving.

Some 50 people left. More than a thousand stayed. The Wagner piece concluded to thunderous applause.

Many people think that the anti-Semetic Wagner was "court composer" to Hitler. Actually, Wagner died some 50 years before the beginning of the Third Reich. His brilliant and spectacular innovations changed the whole course of 20th century music and opera composership.

Leni

99 posted on 11/10/2004 4:39:50 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Gorzaloon

point taken


100 posted on 11/10/2004 4:41:15 PM PST by zahal724 (I own a lumber company? Want some wood?)
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