Posted on 11/09/2004 3:11:25 AM PST by Dog
This will be todays thread. Media is in full handwringing mode over some Iraqi unit showing up for the fight.
Militants Control Center Of Ramadi
Car bombs hit U.S. Marines in Ramadi
Not sure what current situation is.
;^)
Thanks.
Here is a detailed article that I found interesting. Describes some of the battles and not just rehashed from other articles.
"A Knight Ridder reporter with the Army's 1st Infantry Division in Fallujah witnessed heavy fighting that rocked the city for 13 hours straight. Machine-gun fire and rocket-propelled grenades rained down on units entering from the north. Earthquake-like explosions frequently shook the armored carrier the reporter was in.
Gunmen ran from rooftop to rooftop, taking aim at the armored vehicles below. Abrams tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles responded with heavy shelling that rattled the city and engulfed buildings in flames.
"Forfeit! You're just wasting your ammo," Spc. Kelly Licon screamed at fighters shooting mortars. "You've woken up Godzilla."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/10136543.htm?1c
That's it in a nutshell. Kohfi and his other Third Way buddies want the UN as the one world tyranny. Under the UN, that's what it will be.
Everything the UN does is proof that power corrupts.
It comes in response to hundreds of armed insurgents taking up positions in the center of the city. U-S troops have been launching an assault on the nearby rebel stronghold of Fallujah.
Residents say U-S forces haven't reached the heart of Ramadi, but are seen near the mayor's office.
They say elections can't proceed without stability, and tell us that we can't enforce stability.
Clearly logical coherence is not required in their little transparent chess game.
Someone (e.g. the Media?) should always make them defend & explain the statements they make, in order to force the obvious paradoxical conclusions.
Checkmate
Keep postin' 'em, Gucho. Great pics.
Thanks for the ping
I accept that we cannot automatically disqualify non-iraqi's fighting the coalition forces as resistance fighters. We should ask, "what are their aims?" and "what are their methods?". It's looking at these two questions that lead me to believe that they don't qualify as "legitimate resistance". Their aims vary from re-establishing the Baathist dictatorship to enforcing Sharia Law or to killing as many infidel as possible (in Iraq and BEYOND) but any sort of "liberation" of the people figures extremely low on their lists (if at all). On the contray, their methods have intentionally taken the lives of thousands of Iraqi's - the same Iraqi's you would argue they were trying to liberate from occupation.
Let's imagine still (being absurdly generous) that some of those in Fallujah are genuinely trying to liberate their fellow Iraqi's and have their best interests at heart. The question I'd ask you here is why would such "noble resistance fighters" tolerate the presence of those that have murdered so many of their people? How can Al Zaqawi and those like him operate amongst them, in their own backyard? I can't answer that question, can you?
(For clarification to lurkers)
Paradoxically, stability throughout the world is antithetical to the UN, because its purpose would then be served and it's constantantly growing population of employees wuold suddenly be without jobs. We all know that UN employees, like terrorists, are too lazy ever to become PRODUCTIVE members of society. Therefore it's in Kohfi & Company's best interests to promote instability
A lot of misinformation is being posted on news sites by people that don't have our best interests at heart.
Drudge still has the 35 U.S.Marines captured by the terrorists up on China View.
That's a whole platoon of Marines and there is no way they surrendeed.
Ramadi is not in the hands of the terrorists and if they are in the center of the city then they are easy targets.
No one knows how many Iraqi soldiers are fighting with the U.S.troops so to say 200 deserted is a suspect story.
We don't know how many terrorists we have killed so to post 42 is another bad story.
Baghdad is quiet today,so is Mosul,Basra and Tikrit.
Zargawi is probaly in hiding with all the drones and aircraft in the sky.
Can you say "target rich environment"?
"witnesses reported seeing at least two American tanks engulfed in flames"
Perhaps photographer Bilal Hussein is responsible for this. He took the photo of the recoilless rifle (anti-tank gun) yesterday and aided and abbetted the terrorists by not reporting their position.
That is a great picture. Go get 'em, guys.
Good points you make. Ive read the Iraqi deserters were out of a total of 2000, so 90% stayed to fight.
And 35 Marines do not allow themselves to be captured, I dont buy that story for a minute.
Also this story says nearly 100 terrorists confirmed dead already. Along with this useful intel tidbit:
"In southern Falluja, soldiers found a notebook with photos believed to be of foreign fighters."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/09/iraq.main/index.html
That's a "medium" howitzer? Good Lord what would heavy artillery be?
Zarqawi is not Iraqi... Many of the insurgents are from other countries in the area...
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