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1 posted on 11/08/2004 2:51:38 PM PST by ambrose
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Zogby=BULLSH**!!! Never again!!


2 posted on 11/08/2004 2:53:00 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: ambrose
"Last May, I did indeed say that John Kerry would win..."

He said the same thing the night before the election.

4 posted on 11/08/2004 2:53:15 PM PST by CWOJackson
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My polling was right. My ability to predict was wrong. For those of you who have supported my work over the years, I apologize. I will do better next time: I will just poll not predict.

Uh huh, yeah, sure Zogpiss. We knew your polls were not reliable all along. Stop picking the Dim to win and maybe you'll start getting some polls right.

5 posted on 11/08/2004 2:54:16 PM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: dvwjr; Dales; RWR8189; LS; counterpunch; skaterboy; Iowa Granny; Illinois Rep; kesg; ...

for some laughs


6 posted on 11/08/2004 2:54:17 PM PST by Cableguy
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To: ambrose
I did not have a horse in this race.

Extremely funny on at least a couple of levels.

7 posted on 11/08/2004 2:54:23 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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..I voted for the war, before I voted against it.


8 posted on 11/08/2004 2:54:27 PM PST by WalterSkinner
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To: ambrose

I'll agree with Zogby -- he sure got pole'd! And he'll walk funny for a long time after too!


9 posted on 11/08/2004 2:54:54 PM PST by pikachu (The REAL script)
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To: ambrose

You're a propagandist, not a pollster.


11 posted on 11/08/2004 2:55:24 PM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party is pining for the fjords.)
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To: ambrose

I'll read this later. I have to go take a Zogby.


12 posted on 11/08/2004 2:55:48 PM PST by Stentor
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To: ambrose

He has no credibility, none, not any.


13 posted on 11/08/2004 2:55:52 PM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: ambrose
Monday morning quarterbacking--How do you say "Goodbye" in Arabic?

If I were spending money on polling, I sure wouldn't spend it with him.

14 posted on 11/08/2004 2:56:08 PM PST by MHT
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Sorry, Johnboy, but you did have a whore in this race -- it's name was Gigolo John.

You claim President Bush wasn't posting the kind of figures he would need to assure his re-election. That may be true, but the daily hammering by the Old Media likely suppressed his positives to a 49% job approval rating which was at 54% by election day. Yet you insisted John Kerry would win in a landslide.

Let's face it John, you are the whore for the whore Gigolo John. No one in his or her right mind would pay for your polling data in 2006. I suppose you can always go back to teaching history at Utica College.

Buh bye, Camel Jockey.

16 posted on 11/08/2004 2:56:16 PM PST by Lunkhead_01
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To: ambrose

Liar liar pants on fire.


19 posted on 11/08/2004 2:57:03 PM PST by Nachum (We're All Americans, Let's Stand Together)
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To: ambrose
20/200 foresight and 20/20 hindsight. This sounds more like a meaning of "is" is soliloquy than a mea culpa.
20 posted on 11/08/2004 2:57:32 PM PST by Buzwardo
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To: ambrose

How do you say BLOW ME in Zogby's original Middle Eastern language?


21 posted on 11/08/2004 2:58:37 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ambrose

''I am a Pollster, Not a Predictor ''

You, sir, are a propagandist


23 posted on 11/08/2004 2:58:43 PM PST by Lexington Green (Patriotism is a moral value.)
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Man what a crock..He's saying he got he states right?

How bout that bizarre effort to cheat by using the bogus exit polls?

Anyone who thinks this guy is actually a pollster and not a media created fraud, well I've got a bridge you might want to buy.

Perhaps a better question than is ZogSauce a fraud is what in the living hell happened to Gallup?
24 posted on 11/08/2004 2:59:41 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: ambrose

Bull ! He was waaaaaay off.

See this:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/blog_11_8_04_1018.html
RCP Commentary: Which Pollster Was the Most Accurate?

Here is what we found from all of the final polling conducted in the 2004 battleground states at the Presidential level (Click Here to View the Full Tabulated Results):

1) Mason-Dixon
Failed to Project Winner: 6.2% | Average Error = 1.8

A final Minnesota poll showing a one-point Bush win is the only blemish on Mason-Dixon's otherwise perfect scorecard this year. Not only did Brad Coker project the correct winner in 15 out of the 16 battleground states we looked at, he did so with amazing accuracy. Four states were dead on the final number and the overall difference between Mason-Dixon's final polls and the actual election results was a minuscule 1.8 points. Furthermore, if you look down through the list of Mason-Dixon's projections it's impossible to detect any consistent leanings toward one candidate or another.

2) Rasmussen
Failed to Project Winner: 6.2% | Average Error = 2.3

Rasmussen's battleground state polling this year was extremely solid and a close second to Mason-Dixon. He was dead on in PA and just missed in IA. Average error was a very good 2.3 points, with NJ and AZ the only states where he wasn't within three points of the final spread. No partisan trends either way.

3) SurveyUSA
Failed to Project Winner: 7.1% | Average Error = 2.8

Some people have questioned methodology and reliability of SurveyUSA's polls. Their performance in the battleground states this year should answer a good number of those questions: 13 out of 14 states called correctly, including dead-on numbers in Maine, Michigan, and Ohio. The difference between projections and actuals in a few of the states (CO, FL, NV & NJ) was on the high side, even if it was within the margin of error. No identifiable leanings toward either candidate.

4) Research 2000
Failed to Project Winner: 14.3% | Average Error = 3.1

Del Ali's firm only conducted polling in seven battleground states this year. They got six of those states right, including nailing a Bush one-point victory in Iowa. The big miss came in Florida, where Research 2000's final poll called for a one-point Kerry win. Average error from the final results was 3.1 percent - which is respectable - though in every instance except one (Iowa) they overestimated support for Kerry and underestimated support for Bush.

5) Quinnipiac
Failed to Project Winner: 33.3% | Average Error = 2.3

Many people dismissed Quinnipiac's final poll in Florida (Bush +8) as an outlier. Wrong. Quinnipiac was closer than most in FL, and they also did a nice job in the only two other states where they polled, NJ and PA. In fact, Quinnipiac would have finished pretty high in our rankings except they called for a tie in Pennsylvania. All three of their projections overestimated the spread for President Bush.

6) Zogby
Failed to Project Winner: 27.3% | Average Error = 3.8

As we all know, Zogby had been on record for months saying that Kerry was going to win this race. Despite his final tracking poll that put Bush ahead by one point nationally, Zogby's polling at the state level reflected his belief that Kerry was going to be the beneficiary of huge turnout - especially among the youth vote. The result is that Zogby missed three of the eleven states he polled in (FL, IA, and NM), had a relatively high error rate across the board (3.8%), and his numbers generally skewed in favor of John Kerry.

Adding insult to injury, Zogby's bizarre election day antics calling for "surprises" in Colorado and Virginia and a decisive 311 electoral vote victory for Kerry suggest he was relying on (not to mention taken in by) the badly skewed early exit poll data.

Let's be honest: Zogby's conduct this year bordered on outrageous. No other independent pollster was out making public predictions of a John Kerry or George W. Bush victory months before hand. And no other pollster decided to wait until 5:30pm Eastern time on election day to post their final numbers.

7) American Research Group
Failed to Project Winner: 50% | Average Error = 2.0

ARG got a bit unlucky this year. They called for a 1-point Bush win in NH and the result was Kerry +1. They also projected a 1-point Kerry win in New Mexico and the result was Bush +1. The big miss, however, came in Florida where ARG's last poll had Kerry up two. ARG did offset these misses by nailing tight outcomes in IA and WI giving them an excellent score in overall average error.

8) FOX News/Opinion Dynamics
Failed to Project Winner: 50% | Average Error = 4.5

It stands to reason that if your national numbers are way off then at least some of your state numbers are going to be bad as well. This is certainly true of FOX's final poll in FL where they showed Kerry ahead by five points. In fact, that 10-point miss stands out as the worst among the final battleground polls we looked at. Another miss in Wisconsin put FOX News/Opinion Dynamics at 50/50 in battlegrounds, with an average error rate of 4.5%

9) Strategic Vision
Failed to Project Winner: 44% | Average Error = 2.4

We were assaulted by some people for labeling Strategic Vision a Republican polling firm. For the record, the reason we did this was twofold: 1) they had a history of polling for Republican clients and 2) their polls were not sponsored by any independent media outlets like newspapers and television stations.

Strategic Vision's projections for a Bush win in MI and a tie in NJ, seems to provide evidence that, at least in these two states, they were skewing toward President Bush. Their polling in the other seven battleground states was reasonable, though except for Florida and Ohio, they consistently underestimated support for Senator Kerry.

10) CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Failed to Project Winner: 67% | Average Error = 5.8

To find Gallup's name at the bottom of the list is nothing short of shocking. In four of the biggest, most important states in the election this year (FL, OH, PA, and WI) CNN/USA Today/Gallup wasn't even close. In fact, they got it exactly backwards calling for Kerry wins in Florida and Ohio by 3 and 4 points, and Bush wins in PA and WI by 4 and 8.


25 posted on 11/08/2004 3:00:25 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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"But I did teach American history and political science for 24 years"

Ha Ha Ha!!! Even more of a reason to admit your stupidity!


26 posted on 11/08/2004 3:01:13 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: ambrose

Sorry Zogby. You've been proven to be a one-trick pony. Deal with it.


27 posted on 11/08/2004 3:01:45 PM PST by Nataku X (Lord, please guide President Bush, and please protect our soldiers in Fallujah.)
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