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Character counts, and morals matter.
1 posted on 11/04/2004 5:17:27 AM PST by animoveritas
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To: animoveritas

Suspect, because it comes from the now discreited exit poll data.

Too bad we're going to see a lot of the navel gazing based on faked data.


2 posted on 11/04/2004 5:22:50 AM PST by plangent
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To: animoveritas
It will note that Mr. Kerry stumped in vain with Bruce Springsteen to get the youth vote out.

I've never been able to figure out why young people would naturally identify with two old geezers.

3 posted on 11/04/2004 5:23:39 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("Ich glaube, du hast in die hosen geschissen!")
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To: animoveritas
The War had nothing to do with it. Nothing. I'm sure. The media told me. It's just the morals.

Classic "horns of a dilemma". The Dems are wrong on morals and wrong on foreign policy. They had to choose one horn on which to impale themselves. They choose "morals" as their weak area. They are half right. But they still can't brign themselves to listen to Zell Miller's convention speech.

5 posted on 11/04/2004 5:27:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: animoveritas

I bet there are a lot of Dems running around today asking, "Morals? Values? Where does one get these? I need me some."

They are THAT out of touch.


7 posted on 11/04/2004 5:31:13 AM PST by GOP_Proud ("Can I say one last thing to Tom Daschle?" BYE!...The Great One)
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To: animoveritas

Laugh at me if you want, but I think the tipping point of this election came during the 2004 Super Bowl half time show. Janet Jackson's bare breast threw the election to Bush. Every so often, an outrageous act rouses the slumbering masses from their complacency. That was it.

The MSM media was sent reeling and the decadent, hedonistic and immoral behavior of the media and Hollywood elite came to rest on their best pals', the Democrats, shoulders. That revolting spectacle was underscored several weeks later by a profanity laced Kerry fundraiser featuring Whoopie Goldberg, after which Kerry stated, "Those folks represent the moral values of America."

We saw on Tuesday who represented the moral values of America, and it wasn't Kerry and his Hollywood and MSM buds.

Thanks, Janet...and Whoopie.


8 posted on 11/04/2004 5:38:44 AM PST by randita
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To: animoveritas

Huh? Gonna have to take this whole line of reasoning with a grain of salt. Anything that comes from those bogus exit polls is not to be believed.


9 posted on 11/04/2004 5:39:08 AM PST by The G Man (Are Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein better off now then they were 4 years ago?)
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To: animoveritas
Look for the RATS to abandon their long standing support for the radical gay agenda. Looks for hillary to move to the moral side of the isle, get a southern accent, and start attend church.
10 posted on 11/04/2004 5:40:28 AM PST by devane617
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To: animoveritas
Amen!!!

(Ring ALL America's Church Bells,......Church Bells Ringing Everywhere?)

/sarcasm

16 posted on 11/04/2004 6:08:43 AM PST by maestro
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What's interesting is that the republican party didn't "hammer" this issue like they have in the past. Demonstrating that they don't need to "hammer" on it. People easily recognize which party stands for "family" values. And they voted that way without the republicans making it the central issue of the campaign.


17 posted on 11/04/2004 6:09:48 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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(FLASHBACK) Secrets of the "Reagan Democrats”--DEJA VU 2004


19 posted on 11/04/2004 6:57:25 AM PST by truthandlife (http://www.neverforgetneveragain.com -- If you want Bush re-elected pass on this video link!!!!)
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To: animoveritas

Bill Kristol was on Fox last night and said he did a BBC interview and they could comprehend voting on morals. Maybe it's the euros that don't understand us rather than the other way around.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 6:59:50 AM PST by rudypoot (Kerry sold out the US for political gain before now and he is doing it again.)
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notice the dead slience from the msm on the Swifties and POW's? what they revealed was all about these mysterious "moral values", or lack thereof.... couple that with George Bush's faith in God and strong leadership - and i do believe people voted on "moral Value" when it comes to who was the honorable candidate. it's hilarious watching the media scrambling around searching for what these mystery "moral values" are.. sheesh.. that speaks volumes..


21 posted on 11/04/2004 7:00:46 AM PST by sdpatriot
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In my opinion, character was dramatically more important than morals. If Kerry weren't such a chameleonlike faker who lied throughout his entire career and cared only for himself, he would have done much better.


22 posted on 11/04/2004 7:04:15 AM PST by Piranha
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I overheard a conversation this morning between two uber-libs in my office. One was explaining to the other that she had figured out why Kerry lost. She said that people in the red states--rubes that they are--believe that morals are their salvation and that if there are no gay people around, they will go straight to heaven. Given that I am the lone wolf conservative in a sea of Dims here at a non-profit in DC and am trying not to gloat, I refrained from saying anything, but I am more confident than ever that these people have been drinking the Dim Kool-Aid for way too long and are simply incapable of ever getting it. They really believe that they are right and anyone who doesn't believe in their so-called enlightened view of the world is bad. I can only shake my head and smile to myself at their misery.


25 posted on 11/04/2004 7:28:01 AM PST by piperpilot (Right is right!)
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I find it interesting that the news media is finally beginning to catch on to this. It doesn't surprise me in the least that the exit polls showed that moral values are important; most of my close friends are not news junkies like me, nor are they partisans really; they gave both candidates an equal shot until the last few weeks of the campaign. But these friends are conservative Christians and after watching the third debate it became clear that Bush was guided by his faith in his decisions, and that made an impact. Others of them were interested in specific issues that they felt uncomfortable with supporting (gay marriage, abortion).

But the sense I got from talking to my "evangelical" friends was that moral values were tipping the scales in favor of Bush (the other stuff--taxes, economy, the war--they didn't really know who was right, but they were willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt once they sensed that he was trying to do what was right).

The pollsters are confused and trying to spin this because they don't "get" that moral values are not just positions on abortion and gay rights (which don't normally poll as #1 issues for large numbers of people). Those political stances are certainly an important part of that category, but moral issues for me is something broader and more undefined: it is about culture and worldview--are you seeking what is moral in your personal life? Looking for God's will? Is your faith central to the kind of person you are? That is the issue. John Kerry, despite his noble stint as an alter boy, seems to see religion as something to discard when the debate is over. It doesn't guide his approach to life, and Christians see this. And in a country that seems morally on the decline, we want a leader who sets a positive example.

But the news media is just now catching on. Aaron Brown spent a large amount of his show last night pondering this issue as if it was something new and strange. Most of these news people live in NY or LA and don't really understand the culture of red-state "flyover country". So it is all new, strange territory.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 7:30:43 AM PST by Dubya_gal
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I have a friend who believes the referendums on marriage are a large part of the reason Pres. Bush was re-elected. People who never voted before, came out to vote on this issue.


27 posted on 11/04/2004 7:36:56 AM PST by Little Ray (America is Great because America is Good.)
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