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Darwin's greatest challenge tackled
European Molecular Biology Laboratory ^ | 10/28/2004 | EMBL

Posted on 11/03/2004 5:11:47 PM PST by general_re

Darwin's greatest challenge tackled
The mystery of eye evolution

Researchers provide concrete evidence about how the human eye evolved

When Darwin's skeptics attack his theory of evolution, they often focus on the eye. Darwin himself confessed that it was 'absurd' to propose that the human eye, an 'organ of extreme perfection and complication' evolved through spontaneous mutation and natural selection. But he also reasoned that "if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist" then this difficulty should be overcome. Scientists at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory [EMBL] have now tackled Darwin's major challenge in an evolutionary study published this week in the journal Science. They have elucidated the evolutionary origin of the human eye.

Researchers in the laboratories of Detlev Arendt and Jochen Wittbrodt have discovered that the light-sensitive cells of our eyes, the rods and cones, are of unexpected evolutionary origin ­ they come from an ancient population of light-sensitive cells that were initially located in the brain.

"It is not surprising that cells of human eyes come from the brain. We still have light-sensitive cells in our brains today which detect light and influence our daily rhythms of activity," explains Wittbrodt. "Quite possibly, the human eye has originated from light-sensitive cells in the brain. Only later in evolution would such brain cells have relocated into an eye and gained the potential to confer vision."

The scientists discovered that two types of light-sensitive cells existed in our early animal ancestors: rhabdomeric and ciliary. In most animals, rhabdomeric cells became part of the eyes, and ciliary cells remained embedded in the brain. But the evolution of the human eye is peculiar ­ it is the ciliary cells that were recruited for vision which eventually gave rise to the rods and cones of the retina.

So how did EMBL researchers finally trace the evolution of the eye?

By studying a 'living fossil,' Platynereis dumerilii, a marine worm that still resembles early ancestors that lived up to 600 million years ago. Arendt had seen pictures of this worm's brain taken by researcher Adriaan Dorresteijn [University of Mainz, Germany]. "When I saw these pictures, I noticed that the shape of the cells in the worm’s brain resembled the rods and cones in the human eye. I was immediately intrigued by the idea that both of these light-sensitive cells may have the same evolutionary origin."

To test this hypothesis, Arendt and Wittbrodt used a new tool for today’s evolutionary biologists – 'molecular fingerprints'. Such a fingerprint is a unique combination of molecules that is found in a specific cell. He explains that if cells between species have matching molecular fingerprints, then the cells are very likely to share a common ancestor cell.

Scientist Kristin Tessmar-Raible provided the crucial evidence to support Arendt's hypothesis. With the help of EMBL researcher Heidi Snyman, she determined the molecular fingerprint of the cells in the worm's brain. She found an opsin, a light-sensitive molecule, in the worm that strikingly resembled the opsin in the vertebrate rods and cones. "When I saw this vertebrate-type molecule active in the cells of the Playtnereis brain – it was clear that these cells and the vertebrate rods and cones shared a molecular fingerprint. This was concrete evidence of common evolutionary origin. We had finally solved one of the big mysteries in human eye evolution."

Source Article
Ciliary photoreceptors with vertebrate-type opsins in an invertebrate brain.
D. Arendt, K. Tessmar-Raible, Snyman, Dorresteijn, J. Wittbrodt
Science. October 29, 2004.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwin; evolution; eye; sight
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To: general_re

BTTT


61 posted on 11/07/2004 11:04:27 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: general_re

"they come from an ancient population of light-sensitive cells that were initially located in the brain."

And where did these two "scientists" find this verifiable information?


62 posted on 11/07/2004 11:08:55 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you plenty of hints that He exists...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Convergent evolution of the eye is a religious concept. Out of nothing the vertebrate eye is supposed to have developed completely separate from the squid and octopus which they (Darwinians) say developed from different phylogenetic lineages. Just got lucky I guess. When they say "If you put a chimpanzee in from of an IBM selectric typewriter and he struck 60 elements per minute,given enough time he would exactly duplicate the exact works of Shakespeare." That is an article of faith any way you slice it. Call it science if you like, but it aint.


63 posted on 11/07/2004 11:21:17 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: PatrickHenry

One cannot deal with origins apart from faith. Observers were not there (except the God of the Universe)


64 posted on 11/07/2004 11:25:16 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: jpw01

Yes, a metaphysical origin ordered by a orderer to conform to the laws of physics.


65 posted on 11/07/2004 11:28:00 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Observers were not there

Ah. So that's why OJ wasn't convicted. No eye-witnesses.

66 posted on 11/07/2004 11:28:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Lutonian

Mr Luton, Are you married? Do you love your wife? If so you must confess that if everything is the result of molecular and subatomic changes that occurred very slowly over time, then for you to say " I love my wife" is no more meaningful than to say a I have a gastrointestinal pain or an itch, because love is mediated at a molecular,neurochemical level just like an itch and is therefore meaningless. It leads you to nihilism and hopelessness. Please exlain to me where I am wrong.


67 posted on 11/07/2004 11:34:15 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: FatherofFive
but do not believe that all was created from nothing

Because you can't explain how it was created. You don't even propose a method for explaining how. You merely throw up your hands and say He did it and that's all anyone need know. That's not particularly satisfying to some. At least evolutionists attempt to explain things.

68 posted on 11/07/2004 11:34:30 AM PST by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: Dimensio
I know the Bible is accurate for many reasons. I have studied the arguments for and against the accuracy of the Bible and have reached the conclusion that it is accurate and infallible. Anyone who wishes to do so can do the same, and come to their own conclusions.

My interpretation of the Bible may not be as accurate as I would like for it to be, but I'm working on it (with God's help and guidance).

If I'm wrong, there's not much to worry about. If I'm right, there's even less to worry about and a lot to look forward to.
69 posted on 11/07/2004 11:59:31 AM PST by jpw01 (Freep the world!)
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To: jpw01

Wah, I just know! I do!

70 posted on 11/07/2004 12:27:32 PM PST by balrog666 (Lack of money is the root of all evil.)
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To: balrog666

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


71 posted on 11/07/2004 12:28:23 PM PST by Nataku X (Lord, please guide President Bush, and please protect our soldiers in Fallujah.)
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To: jpw01
I know the Bible is accurate for many reasons. I have studied the arguments for and against the accuracy of the Bible and have reached the conclusion that it is accurate and infallible.

Perhaps you could elaborate on what, exactly, led to your conclusion rather than offering a vague "many reasons"?

My interpretation of the Bible may not be as accurate as I would like for it to be, but I'm working on it (with God's help and guidance).

And yet you speak as though you do have absolute knowledge.

If I'm wrong, there's not much to worry about. If I'm right, there's even less to worry about and a lot to look forward to.

Use of Pascal's Wager -- a false dichotomy fallacy -- only demonstrates a lack of critical thinking ability. What if the god who exists doesn't mind non-believers as much as he does followers of false gods, and you're the one with a false god?
72 posted on 11/07/2004 12:30:39 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Mr Luton, Are you married? Do you love your wife? If so you must confess that if everything is the result of molecular and subatomic changes that occurred very slowly over time, then for you to say " I love my wife" is no more meaningful than to say a I have a gastrointestinal pain or an itch, because love is mediated at a molecular,neurochemical level just like an itch and is therefore meaningless.

Logical fallacy. Argument from composition.

It leads you to nihilism and hopelessness.

Logical fallacy. Argument from the consequences. Even if that weren't a fallacy, the 'consequences' that you have derived are based upon a faulty premise, as I pointed out previously.
73 posted on 11/07/2004 12:31:52 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: FatherofFive
Read "Darwin's Black Box" by Michael Behe.

Behe accepts evolution. Oh, and evolution does not address life's origins. i see you are new here, but now you've been told. I don't expect you to make the same mistake again.
74 posted on 11/07/2004 12:32:32 PM PST by whattajoke (.)(.)
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To: furball4paws
Yeh, I got real tired of Kerry/Bush babble.

Partisan politics on either extreme tends to leave me with a bad taste in my mouth. I put freerepublic.com in my hosts file to redirect it to a null IP until after the election.
75 posted on 11/07/2004 12:34:41 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: Blzbba

Typical bicoastal, knee-jerk jerk.


76 posted on 11/07/2004 12:38:35 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Convergent evolution of the eye is a religious concept.

So therefore it's not true? You anti-evolutionists kill me. You insult certain aspects of science by calling it what you base your beliefs on. You make no sense.
77 posted on 11/07/2004 12:39:19 PM PST by whattajoke (.)(.)
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To: Dimensio

Yes, I could, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so. You have already made up your mind, and as long as you can live with it, I can as well.

I have never claimed to have absolute knowledge, but I know Someone who does. I would never claim that I had a totally accurate interpretation of anything, much less the Bible. Apparently, you feel that you do. As I said before, as long as you can live with that, I can too.

As far as my use of Pascal's wager, it expresses my feelings on the subject accurately, so I'm not particularly concerned about your impression of my critical thinking ability. I'm not especially impressed with the thinking ability of anyone who uses science to disprove God.


78 posted on 11/07/2004 1:00:08 PM PST by jpw01 (Freep the world!)
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To: jpw01
Yes, I could, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so.

So you're copping out. I'm not surprised.

I have never claimed to have absolute knowledge, but I know Someone who does.

An assertion of absolute knowledge. Absolute knowledge by proxy, but the assertion remains.

I would never claim that I had a totally accurate interpretation of anything, much less the Bible

You said that you "know" things based upon the Bible. That would imply a belief that your interpretation is accurate.

Apparently, you feel that you do.

I never claimed any such thing.

As far as my use of Pascal's wager, it expresses my feelings on the subject accurately,

So I was right, you don't care about critical thought. You just like pleasant sound-bites, even if they're totally illogical.

Do you ever wonder why some people don't find your arguments even remotely compelling?

so I'm not particularly concerned about your impression of my critical thinking ability.

This attitude only makes you look stubbornly ignorant, and proud of it.

I'm not especially impressed with the thinking ability of anyone who uses science to disprove God.

No one here is suggesting that science disproves any gods, much less the God that you claim exists. You are paranoid and seeing attempts to attack your deity where no such attempts are being made.
80 posted on 11/07/2004 3:52:25 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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