Many soldiers will have a tough decision to make if Kerry is commander in chief

dfu | 10-30-04 | dfu

[doug from upland]

My son in law is in the Navy. After 5 years, he re-upped last year for 3 more. He has thought of making it a career and proudly serves his country.

But like many, many of his comrades, he wonders what he will do if John Kerry becomes the commander in chief.

He knows all about Kerry --- testifying to lies in the Senate, the Winter Soldier lies, the questionable medals, the visits to Paris, the vote whether to assassinate senators, etc. He knows that Kerry's words were used to torture men in custody.

Soldiers and sailors everywhere are worried. Those who have made it a career know that the commander in chief will change and it might not be someone with whom they agree. But he is the commander in chief, and they do their job to serve the country. That is what comes first.

But our warriors have never faced anything like this. Clinton loathed the military and hurt the military, but they survived. With Kerry, they know that they are facing the prospect of being commanded by someone who can truly be called a traitor.

Many of our finest will wonder what to do. Would commander in chief Kerry force them to wear the blue helmets of the U.N.? Would he turn them over to a world court for justice? Would he veto funding bills like the $87 billion?

I had written previously that under Kerry, we might need a draft because of the number of soldiers who would not serve under him.

Right now, our military is the best in the world. Among the reasons are that the men and women respect their commander in chief. And their commander in chief respects them. We will have a nightmare on our hands if the commander changes right now.

[ExSoldier]

I do not serve a MAN...I serve a NATION.

Spoken like a true warrior and a true professional. Thank you and God Bless you.

[dvan]

Talk about a "flip-flop"! Kerry speaking out and demonstrating against his "band of brothers" and throwng (his medals away?). Now he can't seem to shut up about his time in the WAR! War hero? Not on our life!

[Twinkie]

I'M QUITE SURE THERE'S A WHOLE BATTALION OVER AT
THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND WHO WILL BE HONORED TO
DESERT TO CANADA IN THE EVENT KERRY MUST FLIPFLOP
ON HIS DRAFT THINKING. CHARLIE RANGEL, DEMOCRAT
IS HOT FOR THE DRAFT, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER
DEMOCRATS. IN FACT, RANGEL IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT
UP THE BOGUS BILL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE, THOUGH, AS MUCH AS THE DU LOVES
KERRY THAT THEY WON'T BE HONORED TO BE DRAFTED &
SERVE UNDER HIM AS C.I.C. NO?? WHO THEN IS GOING
TO SAVE THEIR ELITE DERRIERES WHEN THE REAL MILITARY
BUGGS OUT?? I am YELLING!!!

[Twinkie]

In the revolting event the traitor, Kerry, be elected,
I agree that President Bush should immediately bring
them home and batten down the hatches here.

Kerry is going to do what he can to lose over there,
stall and dilly dally, let Iraq really become a mess
and then cut and run - and then blame Bush to try
to totally destroy the conservative movement in this
country.

[JHL]

I resigned my USN commission in 1992 when Clinton was elected. I had almost 12 years in at the time. I was on the fence as to whether or not to get out, and Clinton's election made the decision easy.

All of this reminds me of the old joke that made the rounds during the Clinton administration:
"When I first joined the service, they were discharging homosexuals. Next they decided it was okay provided you didn't ask and didn't tell. I decided to get out before it became mandatory!"

[doug from upland]

I'm sure it was a tough decision. Thank you for the 12 years you gave to your nation's defense.

[VOA]

Caught your call-in to Tammy Bruce today; as usual, you cut to the chase.

In some ways I'm glad that Kerry is running for office. If he hadn't, I'd never
have learned about a lot of things I heard about as a child (at the tale-end of
the Vietnam war).
Winter Soldier, incursions in Cambodia, etc....I had sketchy recollections of these
things, but thanks to Kerrys loathsome ambition, I've learned A LOT in the past year.

The one thing I still don't get?
Why Kerry didn't end up in Leavenworth for a term.

[ApesForEvolution]

Prepare to fight off tyranny - we must have the military with their heads in the game...of course, Bush has the track record, he's honest and he's doing SOMETHING other than shill for our enemies and make excuses...Go Bush GO!!

[doug from upland]

I must admit that I was really pretty unaware of Kerry's treason before this election cycle. Kerry and Fonda absolutely should have been prosecuted.

[unspun]

Great to see this, Doug - I linked to it at the bottom of a Web page/missive:

unspun.info  |  reality - spread it around  -  please see links toward bottom  -  feel free to forward

Seeing Over Kerry, Finding Reality in Iraq Saturday, October 30, 2004  -  Arlen Williams  -  http://www.unspun.info/iraqreality.html

In his campaign's final week, John Kerry seemed to base the selling of a would-be Presidency upon his mock certainty that 377 tons of very high explosives were looted from Iraq's Al Qa Qaa complex.  This, despite a collection of inconclusive and conflicting accounts and reconnaissance.

But on a broader level, Kerry is just depending upon his renowned ability to spin the public into profound confusion and self-doubt about their heavily invested war effort.  Who better for this challenge than the Naval Lieutenant who mastered the feat thirty-three years ago, after direct counsel with our communist Vietnamese enemy?  Back then, after Kerry lied, two million died.  And now he finds the maindrain media even more eager to be his comrades.

Observing the media's harmonizing with Senator Kerry, Democratic candidates down the ballot decided to lip-sync his song.  Hearken to the ol' theme and follow the bouncing ballad:

And it's one-two-three, what are we fighting for? Don't you know that we don't give a damn? Don't care about no Vietn-um-Iraq.... Wait, this needs some updating, John. And it's one-two-three, what are we campaigning with? Don't you know that we don't need the facts? We'll just say what we choose about Iraq....

Psychologists tell us that when facing a crisis, one is apt to resort to his most deep-seated reactions.  And Kerry, speaking through his media mouths, has pulled his Iraq related propaganda from a familiar place very deep in his seat.  To list examples of the media bias and malaisecasting involved is like pointing to Yosemite and saying, "See? A couple trees."

Whatever of Manhattan-sized Al Qa Qaa was or was not looted, that is one set of facts among many that scream out for perspective.  Among the facts, Iraq was a California-sized arsenal and our coalition did not have enough troops availed or available, to prevent a small portion of arms from being looted.

So, what would Kerry have done if he were President -- come up with more troops, more devoted to serve under a Vietnam War traitor?  Or, as his "No" vote on our 1991 Operation Desert Shield/Storm indicates, would he have failed to counter the continuously plotting threat the Duefler Report labels Saddam's Iraq to have been?  The media doesn't really ask and Kerry doesn't tell us anything hopeful, that counters his long, long track record of un-development and un-commitment in defense and intelligence.

After this campaign gambit touting a possible 377 tons of munitions lost of an estimated 400,000+ tons captured is played upon us ad nauseum, perhaps Americans want to know what progress may actually be occurring in the nation formerly wielded like a sword in a mass murdering, international terrorist and imperialist's hand.  But do we have media to this vital information, without having to glean tiny fragments out of 377 tons of campaign horserace blather and homicide bomb reports, or from the buried mentions and back pages of newspapers?

Yes, truth and perspective are out there, on the 'net.  There, we are reminded that the terrorists and insurgents are being steadily defeated, their leaders apprehended or killed.  Logical steps continue for freeing Falluja from arch-terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (who was in Iraq before we got there).  Samarra was taken with minimal loss of our troops.  And in the southeast, Muqtada al-Sadr's Shiite militiamen have given up Najaf.

Loss of American lives and of innocent Iraqis will continue, spotty perhaps, but each tragic.  Warfare may escalate for a few weeks.  And Iraqi's security forces are being recruited and trained.  Iraqis are well motivated to run their own country for a change and they are rebuilding their society.

Places to go, on Iraq

Web sites and blogs about our Iraq peacemaking abound, really.  Some of the best:

Liberating Iraq  -  well updated and including links to numerous other sites
http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com

The Truth about Iraq  -  a Web Central Station of Iraq reality
http://www.thetruthaboutiraq.org

littlegreenfootballs.com  -  there, Iraq is put into the broader perspective of our Global War on Terror
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog

And a few days ago, I happened to find...

Pictures from Iraq
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news

There they were.  Pictures.  Pictures of our devoted troops, men and women.  And free Iraqi citizens -- men, women and children.

Pictures of smiles and tender moments shared between uniformed Coalition liberators, now protectors, and the comforted and admiring little Iraqlets they defend.

A tense moment -- a soldier's eyes examining his surroundings, searching out any harm, an tiny infant lying placid his arms, wrapped in soft white and blue.

A pick-up baseball game played by local boys.

American soldiers healing Iraqi wounds.

Pictures of new freedom.  Pictures of basic human love.

Pictures unseen in "mainstream" American media.

A timeline is being followed leading to January and free elections in Iraq.  First, we here at home have an election and there is very little time.  Would that our election were free of warring against the truth upon which so precious lives here and across the world depend.

Instead, President Bush, a champion of freedom, and like-minded candidates are opposed by a "leader" of the Democratic ticket whose twisted revilement would cause the jaws of both Joe McCarthy and Edward R. Murrow to drop, together.

Please enlist and fight for reality in this war.  Please share the truth with those you know and defend the cause of freedom and peace, Tuesday at the polls.


Special Links:

Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal 
42 minute streaming video, now free, of the critical documentary John Kerry's lawyers have threatened television broadcasters, to suppress.

Many soldiers will have a tough decision to make if Kerry is commander in chief 
"But our warriors have never faced anything like this. Clinton loathed the military and hurt the military, but they survived. With Kerry, they know that they are facing the prospect of being commanded by someone who can truly be called a traitor."  --  'doug from upland' in FreeRepublic.com

The Osama Litmus Test  "But politics has shaped Kerry's approach to this whole issue. Back in December 2001, when bin Laden was apparently hiding in Tora Bora, Kerry supported the strategy of using Afghans to hunt him down. He told Larry King that our strategy 'is having its impact, and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively, and we should continue to do it that way.'" "But then the political wind shifted, and Kerry recalculated. Now Kerry calls the strategy he supported 'outsourcing.' When we rely on allies everywhere else around the world, that's multilateral cooperation, but when Bush does it in Afghanistan, it's 'outsourcing.' In Iraq, Kerry supports using local troops to chase insurgents, but in Afghanistan he is in post hoc opposition."

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[verity]

What the hell are you saying?

[verity]

I survived JFK, LBJ, and Jimmy the Peanut. Fortunately, I retired on a high note during the Gipper years.
From personal experience, I am comfortable that the military services, as an institution, is sufficiently resilient to survive a one term Kerry presidency should the American electorate be stupid enough to vote him in.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

We have the right under our Republic as it currently stands to voice opinion, and I, for one, respect your devotion to duty. However, if this country elects a proven traitor as president, then you also have a duty to resist such a one and let your voice be heard. If John Kerry is elected on Tuesday loyal Americans will face a tough decision, whether to acquiesce and salute the office even though a traitor is its occupier, or resist his command and bring the inevitable confrontation to a head. There comes a time when those who espouse evil must be confronted even if it means the dissolution of everything we hold dear.

During an interview on this morning's Meet The Press, Tim Russert asked Rudy Giuliani about reconciling the two sides after the election. Mayor Giuliani spoke of a need for the next president to be conciliatory toward the other side, to move toward the center in order to pull our nation back together. I have seen the enemy of our Republic, and its name is John Kerry, Osama bin Laden, Ted Kennedy, Jacques Chirac, Dan Rather, George Soros, Kofi Annan et al. They have proven to my satisfaction that they cannot be trusted. Vigilant Americans are well warned to watch for these men and to write their dark names in the minds of our children. These men all share one thing in common; They hate and despise the America of our forefathers and they hate the modern American patriot.

I would strongly discourage any young man from considering military service should John Kerry be elected this Tuesday. If a traitor is the electorate's choice, then perhaps this signals the end of our Republic.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

YOU includes you. Just make sure that you vote.

[Two-Bits]

I think the youngsters out there better pay heed because if Kerry is elected, the draft will be forthcoming. I know first hand some fine men and women in the military that will not re-enlist if Kerry is elected. They can not serve a Commander-n-Chief that has such distain and hate for them. Young Democrats be very very afraid.....

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

As despicable and worthless as these presidents were, they do not hold a candle to the dark hole that is John Kerry. Even Bill Clinton, as much as I loathe the man, is not as dangerous as President John Kerry. Even writing the word 'president' in connection with John Kerry conjures an image of a snake.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

I do not serve a MAN...I serve a NATION.

Spoken like a true warrior and a true professional. Thank you and God Bless you.

With all due respect, many young men must have expressed similar sentiments in Germany during the late 1930s.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

If I am reading OldFriend correctly, I would say that he believes you do not grasp the importance of this election. From your posts, I would have to agree.

The military survived every a**hole President - LBJ, the Peanut, and Clinton. Fortunately, we have an institution that transcends occasional electoral blunders.

[Trueblackman]

Well this old squid is going to do his best to keep Kerry's ass out of the White House. Our troops deserve better and Kerry is nothing more than bad comedy.

[Gaffer]

My first inclination would also be to say 'f#ck it!' and not re-enlist....I did 8 hard years (68-76), but if our retention rates fell because of having Kerry as president ( I pray it doesn't happen), I'd gladly take someone's place.....I wouldn't do it for him or his bitch wife of the Breck VP or his cow of a a wife....I'd do it for my grand-daughter because I don't want her to end up in a Burkha (sp?) or speaking Chinese in the future