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Pentagon Briefing on 200 tons of Al QaQaa explosives destroyed in April 2003 (DRUDGE)
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Posted on 10/29/2004 8:28:02 AM PDT by rocklobster11

Edited on 10/29/2004 8:39:41 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Brit Baer on Fox News just announced. Coming up in 1 hour.

Update: 3ID soldier to have briefing about collecting and destroying 200 tons of explosives on April 13.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaqaa; ammogate; antiamericantraitor; dirtytricks; dod; elbaradei; explodingkerry; explosives; hmx; iaea; iraq; jackassinthebox; kerryissaddened; kerrylies; leftwingnitwits; lurch; missingexplosives; napalminthemorning; nytrogate; octobersurprise; oops; rats; rdx; wot
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To: mystery-ak

My opinion is that this Major is a hero for getting up in front of the media WOLVES and telling his story. He should be given a medal! And all they are trying to do is call HIM a lier and discredit him!!! It is dispicable and I hope people will see how this is being treated and turn away from Kerry because this is how HE would treat our brave soldiers! I hate him and I hate the MSM!!!


941 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:18 AM PDT by luvie (WE WILL NOT WAVER; WE WILL NOT TIRE; WE WILL NOT FALTER; AND WE WILL NOT FAIL!!! RE-ELECT GWB!!!)
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To: handy

It is now the toilet paper of record.


942 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:19 AM PDT by MKM1960
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To: woofie

Rush is at the top of his game today.


943 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:23 AM PDT by Doctor Freeze
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To: prairiebreeze

okay... I forgot about the draft. thanks!


944 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:30 AM PDT by pryncessraych
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To: woofie

Bottom line at the very least, this will be used big time by the Bush campaign to prove that Sen Kerry jumps to conclusions without facts, will say anything to win, even if it means denigrading our fighting men and women and that he is not fit to be CIC!


945 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:37 AM PDT by LegalEagle61
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; Howlin
Figures!!!!

I like what the Governor of Minnesota is saying!

946 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: elizabetty

kerry and msm hate our troops. this news conf proves that.


Hopefully, ALL veterns will see kerry is once again trying to cut their knees off. Stinking jerk!


947 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:49 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: Doctor Freeze
It doesn't matter if the weapons removed were the EXACT weapons. The point is that the U.S. Military had a plan and procedures for handling the weapons. Kerry came out swinging saying the military (and Bush) was incompetent and did nothing to guard the weapons. Everyone knows that is not true now.

Excellent point.

948 posted on 10/29/2004 9:56:52 AM PDT by CedarDave (Served with pride alongside the Swifties, Coastal Division 13, Viet Nam, 1967-68.)
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To: Reagan Man
I tend to see it differently. I see a simple idiotic statement made by the Kerry campaign that somehow we were not in control of that dump and did NOTHING! to secure the explosives and ammo.

This revelation says what we already knew, that we did do things and that the area was secured enough to prevent the removal of 100s of tons of ordinance by enemy forces.

The looting angle does not explain the missing ordinance, but the destruction efforts by the troops plus the Russian repo efforts do lead one to believe the ordinance in question did not fall into enemy hands.

Not a simple cut and dried story, but also not a stake in the heart of the Bush campaign.

It seems to me that the folks most upset about this are republicans on the defensive.

The public does not see this as some major screwup. If the stuff had turned up in car bombs it might be a different story, but as of now, the car bombs have all been based on ersatz collections of arty shells and small aerial bombs looted from 1000s of small dumps that we most certainly missed in urban areas.

949 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:20 AM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: LUV W

He is a great man. Wish we could send him good wishes some how; for his bravery, and his bearing during this press conference.


950 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:22 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Howlin

The link to his ad and what I will repost below was removed last night or this morning. This is like the stuff that disappeared when Sandy Burglar or Dox in Sox happened, This is from the Google cache and will disappear 24 hours after their lies where removed.

New Kerry Ad on Bush Failure to Secure Explosives /Misjudgments that Have Made America Less Secure
For Immediate Release




Watch the Ad: "Obligation"


Kerry Statement on Bush’s Failure to Secure Explosives in Iraq
Lockhart Statement on Reports of Missing Explosives in Iraq
Winning the Peace In Iraq


Washington, DC - The Kerry-Edwards campaign released the new television ad “Obligation” Tuesday. Emphasizing that it is the obligation of a Commander-in-Chief to keep our country safe, the 30-second television spot focuses on George W. Bush’s misjudgments that have put our soldiers at risk and made America less secure, including his failure to secure 380 tons of explosives in Iraq.


Watch the Ad (Streaming)
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AD SCRIPT
John Kerry: “The obligation of a Commander in Chief is to keep our country safe. In Iraq, George Bush has overextended our troops and now failed to secure 380 tons of deadly explosives. The kind used for attacks in Iraq, and for terrorist bombings. His Iraq misjudgments put our soldiers at risk, and make our country less secure. And all he offers is more of the same. As President, I’ll bring a fresh start to protect our troops and our nation. I’m John Kerry and I approved this message.”

JUST THE FACTS
John Kerry: “The obligation of a Commander in Chief is to keep our country safe. In Iraq, George Bush has overextended our troops…”

Bush’s Lack of Plan Has Made Soldiers Bear Burden of Overstressed Military. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told senators in early February that the U.S. military is so overstressed that he is using emergency powers to expand it by 33,000 troops and that he will increase it further if required. “There is no question that the Army is stressed,” Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, told a hearing of the House Armed Services Committee in January 2004. The Pentagon already has instituted “stop-loss” orders to maintain troop strength in Iraq and Afghanistan, preventing troops from retiring or leaving the service at the end of their enlistments, while “stop-move” holds them overseas beyond the original end of their tours. About 40,000 servicemen and women have been affected by the “stop-loss” and “stop-move” orders. Of these, about 16,000 are Reservists. [Chicago Tribune, 2/5/04]
Former Bush Administrator in Iraq Said Army Is In Terrible Shape. “There is no question that the Army personnel system is stressed. I think the Army is in terrible shape,” said retired Army Lt. Gen. Jay M. Garner, who served last year as the Bush administrations first administrator in postwar Iraq. “I think people are worn out, equipment is run down and we’ve overstressed the reserves. We’re drastically short [of] infantry and MPs because the Army is too small.” [Washington Post, 7/6/04]
Only 22,700 Iraqi Security Personnel Sufficiently Trained to be Considered “Minimally Effective.” He says he has trained 100,000 Iraqi security forces. Back in February, they told us it was 200,000. Interim Prime Minister Allawi told a joint session of Congress two weeks ago that only 50,000 are ready. And, according to documents provided by the Pentagon to Cong. Obey, only 22,700 security personnel have enough training to be “minimally effective.” [Rumsfeld, Department of Defense Briefing, 9/7/04; Allawi, Address to Joint Session of Congress, 9/23/04; Appropriations Committee, Democratic Staff; Rep. Obey; Fact Sheet, 9/24/04]
John Kerry: “…and now failed to secure 380 tons of deadly explosives.”

380 Tons of Explosives Missing from Sensitive Former Iraqi Military Installation. “The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, make missile warheads and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.” [New York Times, 10/25/04]
Bush Administration Ignored Warnings of Leaving Explosives Unsupervised. “A European diplomat reported that Jacques Baute, head of the I.A.E.A.'s Iraq nuclear inspection team, warned officials at the United States mission in Vienna about the danger of the nuclear sites and materials once under I.A.E.A. supervision, including Al Qaqaa. But apparently, little was done. A senior Bush administration official said that during the initial race to Baghdad, American forces ‘went through the bunkers, but saw no materials bearing the I.A.E.A. seal.’ It is unclear whether they ever returned.” [New York Times, 10/25/04]
John Kerry: “The kind used for attacks in Iraq, and for terrorist bombings.”

Experts: “Immediate Concern” Is Weapons Could Be Used Against Troops. “American weapons experts say their immediate concern is that the explosives could be used in major bombing attacks against American or Iraqi forces: the explosives, mainly HMX and RDX, could be used to produce bombs strong enough to shatter airplanes or tear apart buildings.” [New York Times, 10/25/04]
Same Type of Explosives Have Been Used By Terrorists Before. “The bomb that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 used less than a pound of the material of the type stolen from Al Qaqaa, and somewhat larger amounts were apparently used in the bombing of a housing complex in November 2003 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and the blasts in a Moscow apartment complex in September 1999 that killed nearly 300 people.” [New York Times, 10/25/04]
Former U.N. Weapons Inspector David Albright: Missing Explosives “May All Be In The Hands Of Insurgents, Which Is Even A Worse Picture Than I Would Have Anticipated.” [CNN Newsnight with Aaron Brown, 10/25/04]
John Kerry: “His Iraq misjudgments put our soldiers at risk, and make our country less secure.

At Least 1,109 U.S. Troops Have Died in Iraq Since the Start of the War. According to CNN, “[t]here have been 1,248 coalition deaths, 1,109 Americans, 68 Britons, seven Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one Estonian, one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Latvian, 13 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and nine Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of October 25, 2004.” There are now 161,000 coalition troops in Iraq. 137,000 of those troops are American – nearly 90 percent. [CNN Special Report, 10/25/04; Brookings Institution, “Iraq Index,” Updated 10/25/04]
Coalition Nations Withdrawing Troops from Iraq. Since the beginning of the war, eight countries are planning to or have already withdrawn troops from the coalition in Iraq: Thailand, Norway, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Nicaragua, Philippines, Singapore, and Spain. In all, nearly 3,000 troops have pulled out or planning to pull out of Iraq this month. Costa Rica, which never offered any material support or troops for the war in Iraq, asked the United States to remove it from a list of Iraq coalition partners in September after the country’s Constitutional Court ruled that inclusion on the list violated the Constitution, which bars support for any military action not authorized by the United Nations. [AP, 8/13/04, 9/10/04; Miami Herald, 9/18/04]
Special Forces, Intelligence Personnel Pulled Out of Afghanistan to Support the Iraq War. In 2002, troops from the 5th Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq. The CIA, meanwhile, was stretched badly in its capacity to collect, translate and analyze information coming from Afghanistan. US Intelligence officials said that as much as half of the intelligence and special forces assets in Afghanistan and Pakistan were diverted to support the war in Iraq. [USA Today, 3/29/04; KnightRidder, 9/5/03]
Covert Team that Led bin Laden Hunt Dropped from 150 Men to 30 While Iraq Counterpart Swelled. “Task Force 5 -- a covert commando team that led the hunt for bin Laden and his lieutenants in the border region -- lost more than two-thirds of its fighting strength. The commandos, their high-tech surveillance equipment and other assets would instead surge toward Iraq through 2002 and early 2003, as President Bush prepared for the March invasion that would extend the field of battle in the nation's response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. … At the peak of the hunt for bin Laden and his lieutenants, in early 2002, about 150 commandos operated along Afghanistan's borders with Pakistan and Iran in a top-secret team known as Task Force 5. … Task Force 5 dropped in strength at times to as few as 30 men. Its counterpart in Iraq, by early 2003, burgeoned to more than 200 as an insurgency grew and Hussein proved difficult to find.” [Washington Post, 10/22/04]
Former White House Counterterror Official: “Iraq Did Take Focus and Energy Away from the Afghanistan Campaign.” “‘I support the decision to go into Iraq and topple Saddam Hussein's regime,’ said [Retired Army Gen. Wayne A.] Downing, a former U.S. Special Operations Command chief. ‘But in fact it was a gamble of sorts because Iraq did take focus and energy away from the Afghanistan campaign.’” Downing was recruited to head the White House Office for Combating Terrorism a few weeks after September 11. [Washington Post, 10/22/04]
Overstretching the Military May Hurt Long-Term Global War on Terror. The GAO reported that Bush’s overstretching of the military may hurt the long-term war on terror. “If DOD’s implementation of the partial mobilization authority restricts the cumulative time that reserve component forces can be mobilized, then it is possible that DOD will run out of forces… it is unclear how DOD plans to meet its longer-term requirements for the Global War on Terrorism.” [GAO Report, “Military Personnel,” GAO-04-1031, 9/04]
John Kerry: “And all he offers is more of the same.

Bush: “Knowing What I Know Today, I Would Have Made the Same Decision.” “We didn’t find the stockpiles we thought would be there -- that we all thought would be there. But Saddam Hussein had the capability of making weapons and he could have passed that capability on to the enemy. And that is a risk we could not afford to take after September 11th, 2001. Knowing what I know today, I would have made the same decision. And America and the world are safer with Saddam Hussein sitting in a prison cell. [Bush Remarks, 9/17/04]
Cheney: “What We Did In Iraq Was Exactly The Right Thing To Do. If I Had It To Recommend All Over Again, I Would Recommend Exactly The Right -- Same Course Of Action.” [Vice Presidential Debate (Cleveland, Ohio), 10/6/04]
John Kerry: “As President, I’ll bring a fresh start to protect our troops and our nation.

John Kerry Has a Plan to Win the Peace in Iraq. John Kerry and John Edwards believe the following principles should guide American policy in Iraq right now: internationalize, because others must share the burden; train Iraqis, because they must be responsible for their own security; move forward with reconstruction because that's an important way to stop the spread of terror; and help Iraqis achieve a viable government, because it is up to them to run their own country. [www.johnkerry.com]
John Kerry Is Fighting to Ensure the America’s Military Remains the Best Equipped, And Best Trained in the World. John Kerry and John Edwards will add 40,000 troops to the army, and end the stop-loss policy instituted by the Bush administration, which is effectively a back door draft that runs counter to the traditions of an all-volunteer military. The Kerry-Edwards plan will also double the Army Special Forces capabilities, the troops who land behind enemy lines, conduct counter-terrorism operations, perform reconnaissance missions, and gather intelligence. Kerry will also increase our civil affairs personnel, build new forces specializing in finding, securing, and destroying weapons of mass destruction, and make homeland security one of the primary missions of the National Guard. [www.johnkerry.com]
John Kerry Will Wage a More Effective War on Terror. John Kerry has a seven-point plan to win the war on terror by capturing or killing the terrorists, crushing their movement and freeing the world from fear. John Kerry will transform the world's most powerful military to better address the modern threats of terrorism and proliferation. He will deny terrorists the weapons they seek by securing nuclear materials worldwide and implementing port and bio-terrorism security strategies. Kerry will cut off terrorist finances, and make homeland security a real priority, backed up by real resources. He will launch a strategy to win the war of ideas to prevent terrorists from poisoning more minds, and will promote democracy and freedom throughout the Muslim world. Finally, Kerry will rebuild America’s strong alliances, critical not only to our military operations but in everything we do to track down and capture terrorists. [www.johnkerry.com]

John Kerry: “I’m John Kerry and I approved this message.


951 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps stop Rathering to America? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: JFC

Thanks for the heads up on Cheney/Rush. I'll be listening.


952 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:35 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: mystery-ak
Why is everyone surprised at how the MSM treats our military....I've put up with this for over 30yrs....we in the military know the media and rats are NOT our friends!

This is so blatant to everyone now. The media isn't even trying to hide their attitude towards you from the rest of us.

I think they tried to cover it up before, except when dealing with you all of course. You could always pick up that tone in the Rummy press conferences.

But they're really desperate now, and there's no time for subterfuge, this was just repulsive.

953 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:39 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: searchandrecovery

"The Old Media will pay a big price for this after the election - they have lost ALL cred, and are now just shills for the dems."

That's what I think too. Everyone to the right of center now knows deep down that the MSM are liars, so even if the MSM doesn't completely whither away, they are at least discounted. That in turn means the MSM will try to scream even louder to get their message heard, making them look even more like fools. We will also turn en masse to alternative media for our news, the landscape will be completely different in 2008.


954 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:42 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: rit
"Why doesn't somebody ask the UN why the weapons were not destroyed properly in 1992 when first discovered.

The whole inspections regime was a sham from the start and it would have continued that way but for the President and his administration. The inspectors were a joke...those that weren't bought off were just to dumb to get in on it. Kerry wanted this show biz to continue, just as did the corrupt UN.

955 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:56 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: JFC

Am I glad I saw your post!

VP Cheney on Rush in one hour note.

The Republican Governor of Minnesota was just on Fox explaining to the nice but somewhat dim Rick Fulbaum that the press conference showed at a minimum that our military had a plan they were executing, that information on the allegations raised is being gathered, and that Kerry was out making charges without proper information and that should give voters pause for one who would be president.

Indeed.


956 posted on 10/29/2004 9:57:57 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: Krodg
This news conference is turning into another bad day for Bush. Major says he is not qualified to say whether the ammo he removed is HMX or RDX. Why did they bring him to the conference in the first place? This is ugly and gives Kerry more film to use against Bush. WFT?

He said over and over that it was plastic explosive. From what I've read about RDX and HMX, they are powders that must be bound with a plasticizing agent in order to be shaped and used. The major doesn't give a s*** what kind of plastic explosive it was. And the reporters totally ignored the point that the seals they are referring to, those orange diamonds, are on more than just RDX and HMX.

957 posted on 10/29/2004 9:58:02 AM PDT by pharmamom (They can't riot if they're stuned in disbelief.)
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To: pharmamom
" The reporters were very clearly implying that the major's story is irrelevant."

And, in a sense, they are correct. They, like most Americans following this, would also ask the Major if some of this "bad stuff"--the HMX, for example---was part of that 250 tonnes he says his forces removed from the site.

The Major replied that this wasn't his area of expertiese. His deal was logistics---physically moving what his people found, whatever was "easily accessible"---and that follow-on forces were to go to the ammo dump where this stuff was placed to identify what was there.

In that sense, the MSM reporters there are correct. I think it's also fair to ask why someone who *could* directly speak to the full nature of what was removed hasn't been brought forward yet.

Hey, I don't like the MSM any more than the next guy, but some of their skepticism here is well founded at the moment.

958 posted on 10/29/2004 9:58:03 AM PDT by LincolnLover (Useless Vanities and Reposts--The Bane of an Admin Moderator's Existence!)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
It appears that Kerry has ticked off the military - big time!

The thing of it is: God forbid that FnKerry wins, he WILL have to bring back the draft. Our military as we know it won't serve under him, and will get out. And no American will want to join up to work under FnKerry.

Clintoon weakened our military and FnKerry will destroy it.

959 posted on 10/29/2004 9:58:07 AM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: Strategerist

Hello, he said that they remove plastic explosives.

i.e. RDX and HMX


960 posted on 10/29/2004 9:58:08 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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