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Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction
eurekalert/University of Chicago ^ | 26-Oct-2004 | Steve Koppes

Posted on 10/26/2004 7:36:36 PM PDT by ckilmer

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Contact: Steve Koppes skoppes@uchicago.edu 773-702-8366 University of Chicago

Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction The big bang could be a normal event in the natural evolution of the universe that will happen repeatedly over incredibly vast time scales as the universe expands, empties out and cools off, according to two University of Chicago physicists. "We like to say that the big bang is nothing special in the history of our universe," said Sean Carroll, an Assistant Professor in Physics at the University of Chicago. Carroll and University of Chicago graduate student Jennifer Chen are scheduled to post a paper describing their ideas at http://arxiv.org/ Thursday evening.

Carroll and Chen's research addresses two ambitious questions: why does time flow in only one direction, and could the big bang have arisen from an energy fluctuation in empty space that conforms to the known laws of physics?

The question about the arrow of time has vexed physicists for a century because "for the most part the fundamental laws of physics don't distinguish between past and future. They're time-symmetric," Carroll said.

And closely bound to the issue of time is the concept of entropy, a measure of disorder in the universe. As physicist Ludwig Boltzmann showed a century ago, entropy naturally increases with time. "You can turn an egg into an omelet, but not an omelet into an egg," Carroll said.

But the mystery remains as to why entropy was low in the universe to begin with. The difficulty of that question has long bothered scientists, who most often simply leave it as a puzzle to answer in the future. Carroll and Chen have made an attempt to answer it now.

Previous researchers have approached questions about the big bang with the assumption that entropy in the universe is finite. Carroll and Chen take the opposite approach. "We're postulating that the entropy of the universe is infinite. It could always increase," Chen said.

To successfully explain why the universe looks as it does today, both approaches must accommodate a process called inflation, which is an extension of the big bang theory. Astrophysicists invented inflation theory so that they could explain the universe as it appears today. According to inflation, the universe underwent a period of massive expansion in a fraction of a second after the big bang.

But there's a problem with that scenario: a "skeleton in the closet," Carroll said. To begin inflation, the universe would have encompassed a microscopically tiny patch in an extremely unlikely configuration, not what scientists would expect from a randomly chosen initial condition. Carroll and Chen argue that a generic initial condition is actually likely to resemble cold, empty space-not an obviously favorable starting point for the onset of inflation.

In a universe of finite entropy, some scientists have proposed that a random fluctuation could trigger inflation. This, however, would require the molecules of the universe to fluctuate from a high-entropy state into one of low entropy-a statistical longshot.

"The conditions necessary for inflation are not that easy to start," Carroll said. "There's an argument that it's easier just to have our universe appear from a random fluctuation than to have inflation begin from a random fluctuation."

Carroll and Chen's scenario of infinite entropy is inspired by the finding in 1998 that the universe will expand forever because of a mysterious force called "dark energy." Under these conditions, the natural configuration of the universe is one that is almost empty. "In our current universe, the entropy is growing and the universe is expanding and becoming emptier," Carroll said.

But even empty space has faint traces of energy that fluctuate on the subatomic scale. As suggested previously by Jaume Garriga of Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona and Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University, these flucuations can generate their own big bangs in tiny areas of the universe, widely separated in time and space. Carroll and Chen extend this idea in dramatic fashion, suggesting that inflation could start "in reverse" in the distant past of our universe, so that time could appear to run backwards (from our perspective) to observers far in our past.

Regardless of the direction they run in, the new universes created in these big bangs will continue the process of increasing entropy. In this never-ending cycle, the universe never achieves equilibrium. If it did achieve equilibrium, nothing would ever happen. There would be no arrow of time.

"There's no state you can go to that is maximal entropy. You can always increase the entropy more by creating a new universe and allowing it to expand and cool off," Carroll explained.

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To: Jorge
This is like saying your post only "occured" if I read it.

That is entirely true from your point of observation.

Now, why would you manufacture my odd responses to view if you weren't seeking such a thing?

And that your response ONLY "appeared" to occur after the post you were responding to ONLY because "we put it in order it as a matter of survival".

Being human, and sane, we have a rough agreement of causality, so all I can say is that my approximation as to the cause and effects of the 'previous posts' are pretty much the same as yours.

Mega stupid to the max.

Both the human heart and the 'gut' know no time at all. Are they 'stupid'?

161 posted on 10/26/2004 9:06:06 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: the invisib1e hand
people who really think like this are just tax on humanity.

Don't worry.
They don't exist unless we "observe" them.

162 posted on 10/26/2004 9:06:42 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Thanks... LOL! Who ever thought that entropy was finite!?

What a terrible assumption.

163 posted on 10/26/2004 9:06:56 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Jorge
They don't exist unless we "observe" them.

LOL. that settles that, doesn't it!

164 posted on 10/26/2004 9:09:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
"This is like saying your post only "occured" if I read it."

That is entirely true from your point of observation.

No it isn't either. Even I'm not stupid enough to believe things ONLY come into existance WHEN I happen to observe them.

You don't even believe your own arguments. You couldn't possibly.

165 posted on 10/26/2004 9:10:47 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Age of Reason
I'll bet anything that time has no direction at the sub atomic level.

Then you'd be wrong. Violations of time symmetry have been observed at the subatomic level as reported here.

Time (T) Violation has also recently been observed in the weak interactions of kaons by the CPLEAR experiment at CERN and the KTEV experiment at Fermilab. T Violation means that the rate for a particle interaction is different for the time-reversed process.

166 posted on 10/26/2004 9:11:30 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Jorge
My 'good and evil' post referenced the Fall of Man.

I guess I can only explain that with no knowledge of before and after, we 'give no thought to raiment or what we may eat on the morrow'--kinda like Jesus said. In such an idea--We are 'on God's time'.

With no before and after, there is no life or death and the present is infinite--life everlasting... Garden of Eden type thing.

167 posted on 10/26/2004 9:13:00 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: ckilmer
Okay, I'm no physicist, but I maintain that time does not exist. It is an artificial construct of man that simply represents the number of ticks from a clock. Somebody prove me wrong.
168 posted on 10/26/2004 9:14:06 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Cogadh na Sith
With no before and after, there is no life or death and the present is infinite--life everlasting... Garden of Eden type thing.

Do you believe the Bible? Genesis is God's Word?

169 posted on 10/26/2004 9:15:40 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: edsheppa

But if it can be violated, it is not an absolute. The difference in interaction times could even be an artifact of the observation method.


170 posted on 10/26/2004 9:15:44 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

The Third Law does imply finite entropy for a finite universe.

An infinite universe theory must deal with Olbers' Paradox. (Soviet astronomers liked to invoke th anthropic principle to get around this paradox; it fit well with Marxist political theory.)


171 posted on 10/26/2004 9:15:50 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: edsheppa

Then they aren't looking small enough.


172 posted on 10/26/2004 9:17:25 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: ckilmer

Anyone know what the opposite of time is?


173 posted on 10/26/2004 9:17:46 PM PDT by right way right
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To: Jorge
Do you believe the Bible? Genesis is God's Word?

Yes. It has the 'why'. The 'how' is left as an exercise for the class...

174 posted on 10/26/2004 9:19:55 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Time moving on gives Cassandras and Jerimiahs something to look forward to.


175 posted on 10/26/2004 9:20:31 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: ckilmer
Whatever are we to do or read about in FR when Kerry loses next week ? We won't have another Scapegoat like him for at least another Millennium ! Perhaps we could create our own virtual TIME warp and postpone the election for another four years ! That would be GREAT
176 posted on 10/26/2004 9:21:03 PM PDT by CheezyChesster (Skerry is the best example of Warped Time ever !)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The Third Law does imply finite entropy for a finite universe.

Yeah, but I always kinda thought that the 'infinite universe paradox' was akin to Zeno's Paradox in that "it just doesn't work that way..." LOL

177 posted on 10/26/2004 9:21:40 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: right way right
Anyone know what the opposite of time is?

Yes: Unconsciousness or death.

178 posted on 10/26/2004 9:22:57 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Camachee; January24th; Kay Syrah

I have been thinking about this and I think you're right.
:)

Oh did I tell you, I am caught in a time warp??


179 posted on 10/26/2004 9:24:02 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: BIGLOOK

That's really funny! That's the spirit!


180 posted on 10/26/2004 9:24:13 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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