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Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction
eurekalert/University of Chicago ^ | 26-Oct-2004 | Steve Koppes

Posted on 10/26/2004 7:36:36 PM PDT by ckilmer

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Contact: Steve Koppes skoppes@uchicago.edu 773-702-8366 University of Chicago

Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction The big bang could be a normal event in the natural evolution of the universe that will happen repeatedly over incredibly vast time scales as the universe expands, empties out and cools off, according to two University of Chicago physicists. "We like to say that the big bang is nothing special in the history of our universe," said Sean Carroll, an Assistant Professor in Physics at the University of Chicago. Carroll and University of Chicago graduate student Jennifer Chen are scheduled to post a paper describing their ideas at http://arxiv.org/ Thursday evening.

Carroll and Chen's research addresses two ambitious questions: why does time flow in only one direction, and could the big bang have arisen from an energy fluctuation in empty space that conforms to the known laws of physics?

The question about the arrow of time has vexed physicists for a century because "for the most part the fundamental laws of physics don't distinguish between past and future. They're time-symmetric," Carroll said.

And closely bound to the issue of time is the concept of entropy, a measure of disorder in the universe. As physicist Ludwig Boltzmann showed a century ago, entropy naturally increases with time. "You can turn an egg into an omelet, but not an omelet into an egg," Carroll said.

But the mystery remains as to why entropy was low in the universe to begin with. The difficulty of that question has long bothered scientists, who most often simply leave it as a puzzle to answer in the future. Carroll and Chen have made an attempt to answer it now.

Previous researchers have approached questions about the big bang with the assumption that entropy in the universe is finite. Carroll and Chen take the opposite approach. "We're postulating that the entropy of the universe is infinite. It could always increase," Chen said.

To successfully explain why the universe looks as it does today, both approaches must accommodate a process called inflation, which is an extension of the big bang theory. Astrophysicists invented inflation theory so that they could explain the universe as it appears today. According to inflation, the universe underwent a period of massive expansion in a fraction of a second after the big bang.

But there's a problem with that scenario: a "skeleton in the closet," Carroll said. To begin inflation, the universe would have encompassed a microscopically tiny patch in an extremely unlikely configuration, not what scientists would expect from a randomly chosen initial condition. Carroll and Chen argue that a generic initial condition is actually likely to resemble cold, empty space-not an obviously favorable starting point for the onset of inflation.

In a universe of finite entropy, some scientists have proposed that a random fluctuation could trigger inflation. This, however, would require the molecules of the universe to fluctuate from a high-entropy state into one of low entropy-a statistical longshot.

"The conditions necessary for inflation are not that easy to start," Carroll said. "There's an argument that it's easier just to have our universe appear from a random fluctuation than to have inflation begin from a random fluctuation."

Carroll and Chen's scenario of infinite entropy is inspired by the finding in 1998 that the universe will expand forever because of a mysterious force called "dark energy." Under these conditions, the natural configuration of the universe is one that is almost empty. "In our current universe, the entropy is growing and the universe is expanding and becoming emptier," Carroll said.

But even empty space has faint traces of energy that fluctuate on the subatomic scale. As suggested previously by Jaume Garriga of Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona and Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University, these flucuations can generate their own big bangs in tiny areas of the universe, widely separated in time and space. Carroll and Chen extend this idea in dramatic fashion, suggesting that inflation could start "in reverse" in the distant past of our universe, so that time could appear to run backwards (from our perspective) to observers far in our past.

Regardless of the direction they run in, the new universes created in these big bangs will continue the process of increasing entropy. In this never-ending cycle, the universe never achieves equilibrium. If it did achieve equilibrium, nothing would ever happen. There would be no arrow of time.

"There's no state you can go to that is maximal entropy. You can always increase the entropy more by creating a new universe and allowing it to expand and cool off," Carroll explained.

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To: ApesForEvolution
Where does the knowledge of 'now or later?' come into play? How about "I'm tired, can we do this in the morning?"

Y'know, that's a good point and I liked the way you phrased it--kinda gets to the point...

Now consider: What's actually 'tired'? Is it really 'you'? If so, I want to grow me a tail--wouldn't that be cool?

Animals get tired and react to stimulus to rest--only we have an idea that there is a 'morning' ahead.

141 posted on 10/26/2004 8:43:14 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Republic

ping


142 posted on 10/26/2004 8:44:25 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Ramius

Think I should apply for a government grant, for say..oh, 5 million to study this phenom?


143 posted on 10/26/2004 8:44:53 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Cogadh na Sith
-only we have an idea that there is a 'morning'

did you HAVE to Remind us?!

144 posted on 10/26/2004 8:45:55 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Cogadh na Sith

I always discover the really kewel answers after class is dismissed...you're my kind of FReeper C n S!


145 posted on 10/26/2004 8:47:13 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: pocat

ping


146 posted on 10/26/2004 8:47:22 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Jorge
If people simply "manufactured the present" we would be in a state of perpetual chaos.

We do, but we don't perceive it that way because we have a 'time ordering filter' of consciousness...

The idea that "Time has no nature" is nonsense. The sun rises and sets each day. The sequence of days, weeks, seasons and years is one of the most reliable indicators of nature in existence.

That only occurs if there is an observer... It happens all at once, we put it in order it as a matter of survival.

The 'knowledge of good and evil' is also the knowledge of 'before and after'.

I suggest you seek serious counseling while you still have time.

C'mon, that's a great point. Why do you insult me for it?

147 posted on 10/26/2004 8:48:53 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: MissAmericanPie

~O~


148 posted on 10/26/2004 8:50:39 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Hey, Thanks!

I'll 'look forward' to your posts. (hahahaha!)

149 posted on 10/26/2004 8:52:19 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

LOL

Don't look back...no future in the past!

See you soon and be blessed! AFE


150 posted on 10/26/2004 8:54:42 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: ckilmer
"....creating a new universe and allowing it to expand and cool off ...."

Can we send all the Kerryites there.

151 posted on 10/26/2004 8:54:50 PM PDT by reg45
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To: ckilmer
"Carroll and Chen extend this idea in dramatic fashion, suggesting that inflation could start "in reverse" in the distant past of our universe, so that time could appear to run backwards (from our perspective) to observers far in our past."

I guess that explains how aliens from the planet Ork are old when born and young when they are old. Remember Jonathan Winters' character on Mork & Mindy? Now we know.

152 posted on 10/26/2004 8:55:28 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: Cogadh na Sith
"The idea that "Time has no nature" is nonsense. The sun rises and sets each day. The sequence of days, weeks, seasons and years is one of the most reliable indicators of nature in existence."

That only occurs if there is an observer... It happens all at once, we put it in order it as a matter of survival.

This is like saying your post only "occured" if I read it.
And that your response ONLY "appeared" to occur after the post you were responding to ONLY because "we put it in order it as a matter of survival".
Mega stupid to the max.

153 posted on 10/26/2004 8:56:34 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: January24th; Kay Syrah; bentfeather; Neuromancer

This isn't poetry, but it is poetic. Einstein is a one-way ticket as relativity rebounds on itself. Like Euclid, he only accounts for the trip going out. What happens when the Universe pauses and expansion stalls? Oh, yeah. The Fed lowers the interest rate and we elect kerry cuz in two million years, who will care?


154 posted on 10/26/2004 8:57:47 PM PDT by Camachee
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To: Alamo-Girl

ping


155 posted on 10/26/2004 8:58:41 PM PDT by timestax
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To: ApesForEvolution
Y'know, it was this line of thought (if you can call it that) that caused me to realize that there actually is a God--The Father of All Probability. The Fountainhead. I came to a point that I could no longer deny it based on the evidence in front of me!

Now atheists seem to me like fat chicks in spandex who deny and deny that they have a big fat ass....

156 posted on 10/26/2004 8:59:54 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Jorge
If people simply "manufactured the present" we would be in a state of perpetual chaos.

The defense rests.

157 posted on 10/26/2004 9:00:00 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Cogadh na Sith;The 'knowledge of good and evil' is also the knowledge of 'before and after'.

Jorge;I suggest you seek serious counseling while you still have time.

C'mon, that's a great point. Why do you insult me for it?

I'm sorry. I don't know you personally. I am just responding what you posted.

Perhaps if you explain what you mean by the above I could post a more comprehensive response.

158 posted on 10/26/2004 9:01:13 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
That only occurs if there is an observer...

people who really think like this are just tax on humanity. talk about a waste of molecules.

159 posted on 10/26/2004 9:02:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: CurlyBill
Now if they could only figure out why voter fraud only flows in favor of the Democrats...

LOL

160 posted on 10/26/2004 9:04:15 PM PDT by Anticommie
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