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Kerry said to be excommunicated
CWNews.com ^ | Oct 18, 2004

Posted on 10/18/2004 11:29:25 PM PDT by joyce11111

Kerry said to be excommunicated

Los Angeles, Oct. 18 (CWNews.com) - A consultant to the Vatican has said Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has incurred the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.

The consultant made his statement in a highly unusual letter to Marc Balestrieri, a Los Angeles canon lawyer who formally sued John Kerry in ecclesiastical court for heresy.

Balestrieri, who launched his case earlier this year by filing a heresy complaint in Kerry's home archdiocese of Boston, told EWTN's "World Over" program on Friday that he had received an unusual, indirect communication from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith regarding the pro-abortion stance.

That communication provides a basis, he said, to declare that any Catholic politician who says he is "personally opposed to abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose," incurs automatic excommunication. It also provided a basis for Balestrieri to broaden his canonical actions and file additional complaints against four more pro-abortion Catholic politicians: Democrat Senators Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Tom Harkin of Iowa; Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine; and former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat.

The current action could be significant as it could undercut the entire debate over denying Communion to pro-abortion politicians. An excommunicated Catholic may not receive any of the sacraments of the Church, including the Eucharist, marriage, and even Christian burial. The type of excommunication outlined in the new information is called latae sententiae, which means that it occurs automatically and does not require a formal pronouncement by any Church official.

Balestrieri said he went to Rome in late August to discuss his canonical case with experts, including an official of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Less than 10 days later, he received a letter from Father Basil Cole, a Dominican theologian and consultant to the congregation based in Washington, DC, who said he had been "delegated" by Father Augustine DiNoia, undersecretary of the congregation, to give an unofficial response to the question that Balestrieri had submitted.

"I went to Rome in person to submit two critical questions to the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith," said Balestrieri. "The first: Whether or not the Church's teaching condemning any direct abortion is a dogma of Divine and Catholic Faith, and if the denial and doubt of the same constitutes heresy. The second: Whether or not a denial of the Church's teaching condemning every right to abortion also constitutes heresy. Father Cole, an expert theologian who studied the matter carefully, responded in the affirmative on both counts."

Father Cole wrote, "If a Catholic publicly and obstinately supports the civil right to abortion, knowing that the Church teaches officially against that legislation, he or she commits that heresy envisioned by Can. 751 of the Code [of Canon Law]. Provided that the presumptions of knowledge of the law and penalty and imputability are not rebutted in the external forum, one is automatically excommunicated ...."

Balestrieri said the response was unusual in several respects: that a response was provided to a layman at the request of the undersecretary in only 11 days, that the response was in writing, decisively clarifying the matter, and that it was in far greater detail than a typical official reply. "Normally, only a bishop may request such clarification of doctrine from the CDF, such responses usually take a much longer time to be received, and they are rarely made public," he said.

He also said that the original canonical complaint of heresy against Kerry had received so much response from the public that the tribunal of the Archdiocese of Boston has been deluged with thousands of letters from ordinary Catholics who wish to add their names to the complaint. The head of the archdiocesan tribunal reportedly told him that the case had not been rejected and was "now in the hands of the archbishop," that is, Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston.

Balestrieri, a self-identified political independent, says that his actions come as a defender of the faith and Holy Eucharist from sacrilege and scandal, not as one focused on an electoral outcome. "Our victory can come as early as today: It would be for Sen. Kerry, who publicly calls himself a Catholic and yet in violation of Canon Law continues to receive Holy Communion, to repent of his grave sin and publicly recant his abortion advocacy."

The complete text of Father Cole's response as well as other details of the pending cases are available on the DeFide.com web site.

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1 posted on 10/18/2004 11:29:25 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: joyce11111

I'm sure Sinead O'Conner is apalled.


2 posted on 10/18/2004 11:34:27 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: wildcatf4f3

so how will skerry squirm outa this one?


3 posted on 10/18/2004 11:35:30 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: joyce11111

The proof will be in watching to see if he takes Communion again.


4 posted on 10/18/2004 11:36:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: joyce11111

This should sway many Catholic voters. This is a step long overdue by the Church. As a Catholic I find his position repulsive in the extreme. Frankly, I find the man repulsive in the extreme! He gives new meaning to the term "Empty Suit".


5 posted on 10/18/2004 11:38:52 PM PDT by Rabble (Can we trust Mr. Kerry to safeguard our family's lives?? This is THE #1 question.....)
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To: Rabble

Can't wait to hear what Rush says in the morning.


6 posted on 10/18/2004 11:43:26 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The proof will be in watching to see if he takes Communion again.

Technically he can't again take Communion. He won't attempt it as he would be refused and would be embarrassed.The MSM could pick it up and sway more uncommitted voters away from his candidacy.
7 posted on 10/18/2004 11:47:06 PM PDT by Rabble (Can we trust Mr. Kerry to safeguard our family's lives?? This is THE #1 question.....)
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To: joyce11111
A type of excommunication that "occurs automatically and does not require a formal pronouncement by any Church official."

Sounds a lot like Kerry's Catholicism. Really, now, something as serious as excommunication calls for a little formality from somebody in the Church, don't you think?

8 posted on 10/18/2004 11:48:25 PM PDT by Graymatter (Defeat Kerry; shape his soul and let the glory out.)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Sounds like the kind of thing that could easily backfire, if Kerry plays his victimology cards right. I'm not comfortable with this.


9 posted on 10/18/2004 11:48:25 PM PDT by Phocion
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To: Graymatter

http://www.defide.com/complaint.html?page=1


10 posted on 10/18/2004 11:49:35 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: joyce11111

I wonder if that'll make it on the MSM?


11 posted on 10/18/2004 11:50:12 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: joyce11111

Something just doesn't sound right about this. I think Kerry deserves Excommunication, but I'm not sure about this article.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 11:51:16 PM PDT by Just Lori (Before you can win the Peace..... you have to win the WAR!)
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To: Phocion

He won't gain anything from it. It just proves his hypocracy.


13 posted on 10/18/2004 11:51:51 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Phocion
Sounds like the kind of thing that could easily backfire, if Kerry plays his victimology cards right. I'm not comfortable with this.

At least while he's busy attending to this issue, he'll have less time to Hammer Bush and his policies. This will put him on the defensive requiring much time to play the victim.
14 posted on 10/18/2004 11:54:58 PM PDT by Rabble (Can we trust Mr. Kerry to safeguard our family's lives?? This is THE #1 question.....)
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To: joyce11111

Kerry was excommunicated by his own actions many years ago, so I would not expect anything to happen until the heresy issue is addressed here in Boston.

He knows it, but he just doesn't care. That man's not Catholic at all.


15 posted on 10/18/2004 11:57:25 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: joyce11111

Forgive me for being skeptical.

Kerry [and many other Leftist Catholics such as Ted Kennedy] position on this matter has been well-known for years. What explains the timing?


16 posted on 10/19/2004 12:07:35 AM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: joyce11111


He should have seen that coming....

17 posted on 10/19/2004 12:14:39 AM PDT by Watery Tart (buckhead/pukin dog ‘08)
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To: walford
What explains the timing?

A Catholic canon lawyer acting on his own accord wrote for clarification on the issue. This was the response he received.

18 posted on 10/19/2004 12:15:15 AM PDT by AHerald ("The fates lead him who will; him who won't they drag.")
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Let me add also that if you do not like the rules of the group that you're in, then form your own group.

People who are trying to ordain priestesses, marry homosexuals and/or advocating for abortion in the Catholic Church are trying to deprive these people of the CHOICE to belong to a body of faith that represents a certain set of values.

This is similar to those who want homosexuals to be in the Boy Scouts.

This is no accident.


19 posted on 10/19/2004 12:15:25 AM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: walford

Just to be clear, the canon lawyer didn't write for a casual clarification, he wrote as part of a formal suit against John Kerry in ecclesiastical court for heresy.


20 posted on 10/19/2004 12:18:47 AM PDT by AHerald ("The fates lead him who will; him who won't they drag.")
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