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Bill Jones draws support from John McCain in losing race
AP ^ | 10/17/4 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 10/17/2004 8:06:26 PM PDT by SmithL

BEVERLY HILLS -- U.S. Senate candidate Bill Jones, who is lagging by a wide margin in the latest polls, got some campaign help Sunday from Sen. John McCain, who he endorsed over President Bush in 2000.

McCain, who headlined two fund-raisers for Jones in July, stumped for his friend Sunday at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in the race against two-time Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer. McCain was flanked by members of the California Veterans Political Action Committee and the California Republican Veterans of America, which both announced their endorsements of Jones. His campaign hoped to raise about $30,000 from Sunday's dinner.

Jones has failed to generate traction among voters in a race once considered key for California Republicans. The latest Field poll found 48 percent of likely voters supported Boxer compared to 32 percent for Jones, whose numbers have improved only marginally since May.

Sixty-five percent of those polled said they weren't following the Senate race closely.

Jones brushed off the latest polling Sunday, saying that internal polling done by his campaign showed a much tighter race.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: billjones; california; jones; mccain; napalminthemorning; senate
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I'll vote for Jones.
1 posted on 10/17/2004 8:06:27 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I'd vote for a fire hydrant before Boxer.


2 posted on 10/17/2004 8:10:48 PM PDT by martin_fierro (I'm stuned, stuned!)
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To: SmithL

Bill Jones on Illegal Immigration
http://www.jonesforcalifornia.com/issues/display_issue.cfm?ID=16


October 7, 2004


Today, there are upwards of 15 million undocumented persons living in this country. California alone is estimated to be the home of 3 to 5 million. In a typical year, another 1-2 million people make it past the border into the US.



The waves of illegal immigrants now bring with them increasing numbers of gang members, criminals, drug traffickers, and terrorist group members. Our broken border and immigration policies have facilitated the creation of an extensive network of Coyotes, smugglers, fake ID industries, and assorted operations that prey off this human traffic. This same network now also serves as an unchecked conduit for those who come to harm our nation, our communities, and our families.



The tremendous problems associated with illegal immigration will not right themselves on their own. The realities of our post 9/11 world make the consequences of inaction unacceptable.



We need to cut through the rhetoric. The issue before us boils down to the simple question of whether we as nation will enforce our laws or not.



1. Make clear the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. For those who abide by the law, we need to ensure a fair process that leads to citizenship:



Our immigration laws need to be based on the goal of naturalization, and not one of temporary economic convenience.


We must improve our public schools. Education has always been the ladder used by each immigrant group to higher economic achievement. Public education must remain a viable path of opportunity and that means accountability for results, teacher competency, and adequate funding for both college and vocational paths.


We need full funding for intensive ESL. By any measure, proficiency in English is a determinate of academic excellence, which in turn is a determinate of economic and jobs performance. The language provisions of the naturalization process should be taken seriously, as should language excellence in our schools.


We must ensure a welcoming business climate for the new jobs and the new businesses our immigrant entrepreneurs are creating. The same tax reform, regulatory reform, and lawsuit reform needed by our current businesses are essential to making sure economic opportunity for all survives in this state.


2. Improve border security:



Our border agencies must get the resources they need to do their job, including hiring additional Border Agents and increasing penalties against traffickers.


Our border protection must look to more high-tech solutions, including electronic surveillance, expanded use of Predator and Hermes drones and other unmanned aircraft, and voluntary use of the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System to help speed border processing.


We need better information sharing between the border and public safety agencies. We need to expedite the data sharing for fingerprints, and move this effort quickly into DNA sample sharing as well as more states like California improve their sampling requirements.


Our border control should not be subject to state veto.


3. Border control alone will not fix the security problemswe need a sustained and honest commitment to interior enforcement as well:



Illegal immigration should not be treated as a game of pass Go and collect $200. What is considered illegal at the border remains so in our interior, and we need to restore an enforcement priority to make sure the billions we now spend at the border will be effective.


Local governments that have adopted policies of refusing to comply with federal immigration enforcement agencies should be penalized in the allocation of federal grant fundsthe message they now send reinforces the belief that the US is not serious about enforcing our laws.


Tamper-proof IDs are needed to combat the pervasive fake systems that are available today on any downtown street corner. These IDs must include reliable, unique biometric data such as fingerprints. We do fingerprint scanning for drivers licenses now. There is no reason not to apply this technology to other forms of secure ID as well.


4. Congress must reimburse the states and our local governments for bearing the costs of failed federal immigration policies:



In 1997, the National Research Council estimated the net fiscal cost of illegal immigration at $11-22 billion a year. Furthermore, that study pointed out that most taxes paid by illegal immigrants are collected by the federal government, but that most costs are paid by state and local agencies.


Californiathe destination of about 1/3 of all illegal immigrantspays a disproportionate share of those costs. The direct costs to the state budget are estimated to be $3-5 billion a year, with local governments picking up yet more of the tab.


5. Guest worker program should only be for jobs where it is demonstrated there are no resident applicants to fill them.



Guest worker programs should be for the sole purpose of filling specific labor skill shortages. They should not be used to legalize our current situation.


I will oppose any amnesty provision or any provision that even suggests amnesty in any immigration reform.


We can provide a guest worker program that matches willing workers with willing employers when American workers cannot fill the jobs, but we can also do it without amnesty that rewards past illegal behavior.


6. Mexico needs to be part of the solution:



For too long, Mexico has used the US job market as its pressure valve to relieve demands for true reform in its own country. President Fox at the beginning of his term made good efforts for reform.


But as Rosario Marin pointed out during this springs primary, the Mexican Congress continues to be a roadblock to further reform. As a result, they have simply passed on their responsibility for job creation to the US.


The economic imperative to improve their families future is driving virtually all of the illegal immigrants to the US. We cannot fault these desires of individuals, but we certainly can demand that governments take care of these needs at home.


3 posted on 10/17/2004 8:12:32 PM PDT by seastay
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Maybe if Mr Invisible spent some money on his campaign (i.e. some ads) - more people would know who he was. There was an article a couple weeks ago about the CA senate race. A man on the street kind of thing found that most people didn't even know that :

1) Barbara Boxer was running for reelection
2) someone was running against her


4 posted on 10/17/2004 8:14:14 PM PDT by cgk (Teresa Heinz Kerry: ``The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.'')
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To: SmithL

I'd vote for someone McCain supported before I'd vote for Boxer. Oh wait, I guess I'll have to.

Heh heh heh.


5 posted on 10/17/2004 8:14:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: SmithL

Jones is a nothing who did nothing to campaign against Boxer.
I think the whole idea behind his fund raisers is to have personal political fun money for after he loses his race to spend on himself.

I wish a real candidate had run against Boxer.


6 posted on 10/17/2004 8:17:53 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cgk

Tons of pro-Jones California people were against the ex-Treasurer running over Mr. money bags.

I really think he is just building a personal treasure chest for his own enrichment.


7 posted on 10/17/2004 8:20:02 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SmithL

The only reason I know that Bill Jones is running for CA Senate is because his name appeared on the absentee ballot that my wife and I just cast here in CA. We voted for him but I haven't seen one TV ad or mail flyer or newspaper ad for him. Plus, I have not heard of Arnold campaigning anywhere for him. I wonder just what is up with Jones. Have the Republican money guys thrown him overboard, or is he simply not campaigning? Boxer is not popular. Just as Arnold trounced Davis, I believe a good campaigner could have beat Boxer. Too late now.


8 posted on 10/17/2004 8:34:46 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: martin_fierro

No doubt. At least a fire hydrant is of SOME use once in a while.


9 posted on 10/17/2004 8:37:51 PM PDT by Texas Eagle ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." Jonathan Swift)
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To: martin_fierro
I'd vote for a fire hydrant before Boxer.

Sure, go ahead and vote based on beauty.

10 posted on 10/17/2004 8:39:08 PM PDT by SmithL (Vietnam-era Vet: Still fighting Hillary's half-vast left-wing conspiracy)
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Curious choice of a headline title from SFGate.


11 posted on 10/17/2004 8:42:42 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Anagram of my screenname: TRUE UNCLE TRUER COCONUT)
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To: SmithL

Why hasn't Jones done any advertising? I haven't seen one commercial, ad...I don't even think I've gotten a mailer? What the hell happened?


12 posted on 10/17/2004 8:45:06 PM PDT by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: SmithL

Jones is running a campaign?

I like Bill personally, but they're not even trying in the SF Bay Area. Absolutely no ads, no media coverage. Babs the Bouncer has been running ads here.


13 posted on 10/17/2004 8:49:21 PM PDT by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: SmithL

crap on Boxer


14 posted on 10/17/2004 8:52:19 PM PDT by GeronL (John Kerry believes in a right to privacy and in gay rights............ ask "fair game" Mary Cheney)
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I'd vote for a fire hydrant before Boxer.

Here's an eerie coincidence: My dogs both voted for a fire hydrant on a walk this evening - just 3 hours ago

15 posted on 10/17/2004 8:55:09 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: SmithL
Jones hasn't even reached the threshold of a race.

Is Jones proof that a moderate can't win?

The RINOs have done it again in screwing a conservative (Kaloogian) who would have at least run a real campaign.

16 posted on 10/17/2004 9:01:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: SmithL

For all the crap McCain gets, at least he's out there and campaigning hard for Republicans.

I find it funny some badmouth him so much, but then remain ambigious, grudging or defiant about voting for Republicans in elections.

Of course, my sig says it all. Those type of people are the actual RINOs.


17 posted on 10/17/2004 9:06:38 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (A RINO is someone not voting for President Bush in 2004 while claiming to be a conservative.)
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To: SmithL

Bill Jones is toast. He has no shot to win. Barbara Boxer being elected to a third term in the U.S. Senate is a crime to all humanity. The woman is absolutely clueless about everything, well she is a liberal after all, but it tells you what kind of a braindead state that California is.


18 posted on 10/17/2004 9:07:46 PM PDT by midftfan
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Jones has failed to generate traction...

That's because Jones has failed to campaign - literally. He hasn't run a bad campaign. He simply hasn't run a campaign. I'd wager that most Californians aren't even aware there's a senate race this year. As for Jones, I don't know why he bothered to put himself out as a candidate when he didn't plan to campaign.

19 posted on 10/17/2004 9:08:54 PM PDT by Wolfstar (America's enemies, both here and overseas, just love John Kerry.)
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To: CdMGuy
I have not heard of Arnold campaigning anywhere for him...

Gov. Schwarzenegger can't be bothered "soiling" his hands by helping to rebuild the CAGOP. He hasn't campaigned for anyone anywhere in the state that I know of.

As for your question, "Have the Republican money guys thrown him overboard, or is he simply not campaigning?"

Jones is not campaigning. I'm a long-time volunteer in my locality. I know of fundraisers that were scheduled to help Jones, and he'd simply not show up, or he'd cancel at the last minute. I don't know what Jones was up to in throwing his hat in the ring, but his goal sure couldn't have been to actually try to get elected.

20 posted on 10/17/2004 9:14:48 PM PDT by Wolfstar (America's enemies, both here and overseas, just love John Kerry.)
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