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Usama bin Laden is Dead
Froggy Ruminations ^ | October 16, 2004 | Matthew Heidt

Posted on 10/17/2004 2:25:45 AM PDT by billorites

You hadn't heard? Well, I'm not breaking news, President Bush knows damn well that UBL has been dead for quite some time. But why would Bush keep it to himself? If he were to disclose his knowledge that UBL is dead he would blow John Kerry's doors off in the election, and yet he remains silent. Why?

Maybe you're wondering how I know he's dead. Perhaps one of my SEAL buddies let me in on the secret? NO. I know because a publicity whore and grandstanding scumbag like UBL could not possibly resist the multitude of opportunites to inspire his cult members. His number 1, Zwahiri, has appeared on video or audio broadcasts every few months since 9/11. UBL has not been heard from since Tora Bora despite developments in the GWOT in Afghanistan and Iraq that make it unthinkable for him to have remained silent. Not to mention successful attacks in Bali, Madrid, Turkey, and Jakarta to name a few that remain unremarked upon by UBL. The invasion and occupation of an Islamic state by the US and not a word. Elections held for the first time in Afghan history, and he had nothing to say about it in the lead up. AQ tried once early on to air a tape that never mentioned key developments in the Afghan campaign and was quickly discredited as an attempt to put one over on his followers by airing a previous recording. Zwahiri decided that it was better to just pretend that UBL was alive because there was no plausible martyr story to tell. UBL went out running for his life like a coward. He is dead. His remains are turds shat by scavenging animals in the mountains of Afghanistan blown by the wind and stomped on by US troops.

By why not make it public? After all, this is the one thing that could ensure the President's re-election. Have you noticed how coy DOD officials and high ranking officers are when the question is posed? They know. They certainly have intelligence to this effect. Of course, the President could have instructed subordinates to start saying that intel indicates UBL is dead. This would have put pressure on him to prove otherwise by issuing a statement which he is clearly unable to make. This process could have started 6 months ago, and if UBL did not answer, it would in effect prove the case. But it didn't happen. Why not?

Because the President knows that making UBL a martyr would serve to further inspire his minions, and he realizes that preventing this from happening is more important than his re-election. Instead, UBL remains forever silent even as his recruits yearn to hear his voice. Eventually these cultists will realize themselves that UBL went out like a punk, not a martyr and that the AQ head shed has been lying to them for years. That realization combined with US combat boots knocking their teeth down their throats will go a long way to beating this cult into submission. But it is important to recognize that the President's committment to killing terrorists supercedes his committment to his own re-election. I'm sure he hopes that the American people will come to this conclusion on their own and vote for him anyway, but it is quite a risk to take in the ultimate ME situation.

This kind of integrity and committment stands in stark contrast to his opponent. Kerry has proved to be a Blue Falcon, a traitor, a louse, a shameless opportunist, and an lazy bureaucrat that pads his resume. Kerry is a smart guy too, and he realizes what is going on. But it hasn't stopped him from trying to bait the President into abandoning a critical propaganda victory in the GWOT by incessantly peddling his Tora Bora "outsourcing" charge in all three debates. He knows that the President will not respond to this charge so he is free to make it. Just like the Cheney lesbian scheme, this is a coordinated hatchet job, but this is on an issue that Kerry knows the President must choose to either defend the SOF troops that got the job done or remain silent. To his personal credit he never took the bait, but to his professional detriment he must let an unanswered charge linger. Do you have that kind of discipline? Especially in crunchtime? I don't know if I do, and I'll be happy to never have to find out.

President Bush, meanwhile, has just continued to keep the pressure on the terrorists, get us out of a recession, protect the homeland, and generally put the country's interests ahead of his own. He deserves your vote.


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To: Sprite518

The date of death was actually prior to Dec 13th, 2001.


81 posted on 10/20/2004 9:45:15 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: foolscap

"I think he's dead too. The idea that he is going from cave to cave lugging around his dialysis equipment always seemed a little far fetched. With all that equipment he would not exactly be a swift moving target."

I heard an interview with the guy who wrote "Losing Bin Laden", and he said his kidney condition is a myth. I can't remember his exact explanation, but somehow a rumor started suggesting he had a kidney problem, and OBL let the media run with it.


82 posted on 10/20/2004 10:03:05 AM PDT by jaydubya2 (Long time Listener, First time caller)
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To: billorites

I've thought OBL has been dead for a while as well. tough to prove though.


83 posted on 10/20/2004 10:04:58 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: billorites

From all the bombing that we did to that country, my husband and I have always said that the United States had to have killed Bin Laden.


84 posted on 10/20/2004 10:08:10 AM PDT by Sadie789
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To: foolscap

There's not that much equipment for home dialysis. I could have opted for that but you have to do it every night and drain it once during the day. It's easier just to go to the dialysis center (is there one in Tora Bora???) and let them do it for you.


85 posted on 10/20/2004 10:09:30 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: Stateline

70 demons is closer to the truth.


86 posted on 10/20/2004 10:10:34 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: billorites

No I don't think he is dead. I think he is under hi tech servellince and he is more useful to the war alive and compromised then dead.

I think we are using information coming from (unknown to him) to kill other bad guys.

This is the only thing that makes sense.

John


87 posted on 10/20/2004 10:11:35 AM PDT by John_7Diamonds
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To: Samwise
Funny!

When I was a teenager, my dad would never let me date a boy who drove a VW Bug.

He once actually handed my date the keys to his Studebaker and said, "Here, drive this."

88 posted on 10/20/2004 10:16:04 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Terp

Just shy, probably.


89 posted on 10/20/2004 10:27:03 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Mud slung is ground lost.)
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To: MadIvan

How to find bin Laden:

Troll through Afghanistan, shouting "BRING OUT YER DEAD!"


90 posted on 10/20/2004 10:28:47 AM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: billorites

If we have OBL captured or killed, it MUST be revealed prior to the election. The truth must be told to counter the utter filth that is coming from the Dems.

Rove needs to release this bit of news late next week...


91 posted on 10/20/2004 10:32:27 AM PDT by dmanLA
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To: jaydubya2

Do you remember, sometime in late 2001 - early 2002, that there was a shipment of contaminated (poisonous) dialysis filters from a US company that somehow ended up in Croatia? (Lots of people died)

Maybe covert Ops hoping that the filters would somehow reach UBL?


92 posted on 10/20/2004 10:43:19 AM PDT by jpp113
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To: billorites
He may be dead, but the reason the author gives why Bush hasn't said that is just bogus:

Because the President knows that making UBL a martyr would serve to further inspire his minions, and he realizes that preventing this from happening is more important than his re-election.

The legend of OBL evading the U.S. is worth more to the terrorists than would be his status as a martyr. The reason we haven't announced it is that we're not positive that he's dead, and don't want to be humliated if he pops up alive. Simple as that.

93 posted on 10/20/2004 10:47:56 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: billorites
He may be dead, but the reason the author gives why Bush hasn't said that is just bogus:

Because the President knows that making UBL a martyr would serve to further inspire his minions, and he realizes that preventing this from happening is more important than his re-election.

The legend of OBL evading the U.S. is worth more to the terrorists than would be his status as a martyr. The reason we haven't announced it is that we're not positive that he's dead, and don't want to be humliated if he pops up alive. Simple as that.

94 posted on 10/20/2004 10:48:17 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: billorites

It's hard to argue that he's alive. On the other hand, if there's nothing left of him, it's hard to prove that he's dead.


95 posted on 10/20/2004 10:50:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: foolscap
The idea that he is going from cave to cave lugging around his dialysis equipment always seemed a little far fetched.

I heard a radio interview in Boston yesterday with the author of a book who said that Osama's doctor has repeatedly stated that Osama did not require dialysis. He said that Pakistani intelligence promoted this story to give Clinton an excuse for not going after Osama.

96 posted on 10/20/2004 10:54:57 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: billorites

Yeah, it takes a real heapin' helpin' of blind faith to believe that UBL is still alive. I've been with Coulter on this for a year.


97 posted on 10/20/2004 10:58:13 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Beckwith
I believe he died shortly after Tora Bora, where he was wounded.

My hubby is fond of saying that UBL is the "goo in a rock sandwich" at Tora Bora.

98 posted on 10/20/2004 10:58:43 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Sprite518

4) To scam the terrorist into thinking that he is still alive and then replace him with our guys.

We could be running AQ into the ground through one of the all time great CIA stings. The president has to continue with the "OBL is still alive" line until we completely destroy them.


99 posted on 10/20/2004 11:02:34 AM PDT by ParadigmLost
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To: billorites

I was wishing when kerry kept saying Bush took his eye off the ball that President Bush would pull out a ball and say.. see this ball, it has OBL ashes inside it. Put that in your pipe and puff it bad boy.


100 posted on 10/20/2004 11:03:42 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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