SPIN THOSE POLLS! SPIN THOSE POLLS! (Do not vote in any of the online polls tonight)

Kerry Spot ^ | Jim Geraghty

[vmivol00]

SPIN THOSE POLLS! SPIN THOSE POLLS! [10/13 02:50 PM]

UPI reports on the efforts to spin online polls and mass-mailed letters to the editor.

President George W. Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry will walk across the stage Wednesday night and greet each other at the beginning of the third and final presidential debate. Already, across the country, e-mail messages are arriving in newsroom inboxes declaring a winner. A new form of spam is emerging this fall, called debate-spin spam, experts told UPI's The Web. The veracity of the e-mail messages being sent as letters to the editor is coming into question, as are the timing and content of many of the messages, because a significant percentage is being generated by bots, or intelligent software agents.

Which reminds me, it's time for the Pajamahadeen to continue our jujitsu operations. We had some success recently, but I think it's time to set our sights higher.

As usual, the instant online polls of news organizations, that the DNC is steering its members to here, will be less valuable and useful if the result is so stunningly skewed that no one believes it. So a poll that shows Kerry won 99 percent to 1 percent is less useful to the DNC than one that shows Kerry won 70 percent to 30 percent....

[KavMan]

don't we have anyone here that can write a program for the 3-5 main polls
then pass it out to freepers that want to run it the whole night??

[Krodg]

The best way to do this is to hold your nose and vote for Kerry in the online polls. Let's see just how skewed we can get them... ;-)

I think this is the wrong approach. Online polls are done mostly to get hits for their websites. Let the Dems have the online polls...when their website hits drop and their polls are skewed, maybe they'll listen.

[MistyCA]

Yup! I said just that the other day. I will not do any more online polls. If I ping to them it will only be so people can see how skewed they are! The most recent polls are so out of synch with reality that they are absolutely worthless.

[DrDeb]

BUMP -- I absolutely agree!!!!

[JoeBob255]

I've been saying this for weeks. Freeping a poll only works to ligitimize the results. Let them get 99%. It only makes the poll look rediculous.

The only problem I see is that they won't report the numbers, only the results. You will hear words like vast majority, tremendous Kerry victory, incredibly high percentage, etc.

[TXBubba]

Even more of a reason not to vote in them. I don't trust the MSM either. Why let them know how many people there are out there who really support Bush. Let them live in their fantasy world where all is right and Kerry is 99% winner. Then let election day reality crush them.

[bluebeak]

Democrat Underground Strategy revealed

***** AFTER THE DEBATE: HELP SPREAD THE KERRY MESSAGE *****

Edited on Fri Oct-01-04 12:17 PM by Skinner

Note: this thread will be continuously updated as we get specific information on links to polls, feedback pages, etc.

IF YOU HAVE LINKS TO NEW POLLS, POST THEM IN THIS THREAD. They will be added to the master list.

++ ONLINE POLLS ++

ABC30 Fresno: http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn

Allentown PA Morning Call: http://www.mcall.com

American Research Group: http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/debatei

AOL News: http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=200...

Asheville Citizen-Times: http://www.citizen-times.com (Right column)

Austin American Statesman: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/shared/news/polit...

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3703756.stm

Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com (Look for "SURVEY: Who did better in the debate?")

Campaigns and Elections: http://www.campaignline.com/poll/index.cfm?navid=54

Channel 10 Providence: http://www.turnto10.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/politics/main...

CNBC: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Promos/P9595...

CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004

CNN Pundit Scorecard: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/deba...

Daytona News-Journal: http://www.news-journalonline.com

Daily Iberian: http://www.iberianet.com

Denver Channel: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

Detroit News: http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm?topic...

Hampton Roads: http://home.hamptonroads.com/poll/question.cfm?poll=338...

Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/28241...

KATC3 Lafayette: http://www.katc.com

Kansas City Channel: http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

KDBC El Paso: http://www.kdbc.com (left column)

KDKA Pittsburgh: http://kdka.com/?can_view=275003241

KIRO7 Seattle: http://www.kirotv.com/index.html

KIRO 710: http://710kiro.com

KOTV Tulsa: http://www.kotv.com/main/home/main.asp (Right column "Hotbutton")

KSDK St. Louis: http://www.ksdk.com/includes/poll.aspx

KYW Philadephia: http://www.kyw.com

Lafayette Daily Advertiser: http://www.acadiananow.com

LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-debate1...

Milwaukee Channel: http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who won the Debate?")

Minnesota Star Tribune: http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5008889.html

MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733

MSNBC Horserace: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6028629

Ms. Magazine: http://www.msmagazine.com/debate_poll.asp

My San Antonio: http://www.mysanantonio.com (Halfway down on left "Cast your vote")

NBC10 Philadelphia: http://www.nbc10.com/news/3692935/detail.html

NBC25 Hagerstown MD: http://nbc25.com/webpoll.asp

NBC4 Washington DC: http://www.nbc4.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who won the Debate?")

NBC5 Cincinnati: http://www.channelcincinnati.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

NBC5 Dallas-Fort Worth: http://www.nbc5i.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

NBC6 South Florida: http://www.nbc6.net/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

New Orleans Channel: http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

News Central: http://www.newscentral.tv

Newsday: http://www.newsday.com (Look for "Poll: Rate the candidates")

NewsNet5 Cleveland: http://www.newsnet5.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/elections/orl-bk-pr...

PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/debates/ballot.htm...

Philly.com: http://www.nbc10.com/news/3692935/detail.html

Pittsburgh Channel: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html

Polling Point: http://209.128.109.235/survey/s.phtml?sn=72&cid=157&rid... (Long)

Rapid City Journal: http://www.rapidcityjournal.com (left column)

Sioux Falls Argus Leader: http://www.argusleader.com

Sun-Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com (right column)

Tampa Bay 10 News: http://www.tampabays10.com

Time: http://www.time.com/time (Right side)

Wall St. Journal: http://discussions.wsj.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=wsjv...

WESH2 Orlando: http://www.wesh.com/politics/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

WFMY Greensboro NC: http://www.wfmy.com/news/poll/default.aspx

WFTV9 Orlando: http://www.wftv.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

WGAL Harrisburg PA: http://www.thewgalchannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

WHOTV Des Moines: http://whotv.com (Left side of page)

Wilmington DE News Journal: http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal

Winston-Salem Journal: http://www.journalnow.com (Left column)

WKRC Cincinnati: http://www.wkrc.com

WRAL Raleigh-Durham: http://www.wral.com/index.html

WSB 750 Atlanta: http://wsbradio.com

WTRF West Virginia: http://www.wtrf.com

WXYZ Detroit: http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/poll/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_54286...

++ TALKING POINTS ++

Kerry’s Debate Performance

-> America saw John Kerry as our next President tonight.

-> Kerry showed strength, conviction and steady command of the facts.

-> Kerry left no doubt he can lead the fight to hunt and kill the terrorists.

-> Kerry offered hope for a fresh start in Iraq so we can finish the job. Kerry has specific plans: Bush had shallow promises.

Bush’s Debate Performance

-> Bush had a record of failure to defend, and he failed to defend it.

-> Bush refused to take responsibility for his go it alone rush to war. He seemed defensive, annoyed and arrogant.

-> Bush had no plan, no clue for ending the chaos; he’s out of touch with reality.

-> Bush can’t fix the mess in Iraq because he pretends things are fine. Pretending is no substitute for planning.


++ CONTACT THE MEDIA IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE DEBATE ++

CNN

Contact Larry King Live (follows debate at 11pm ET):
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?12

Contact NewsNight with Aaron Brown (follows Larry King at midnight ET):
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?13

CNN.com Feedback:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/dotcom

CNN TV Feedback:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv

Fox News

Contact Hannity & Colmes (follows debate at 11pm ET)
Colmes@foxnews.com
Hannity@foxnews.com

Contact On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (follows Hannity & Colmes at midnight ET):
ontherecord@foxnews.com

Feedback:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html

Phone:
1-888-369-4762

MSNBC

Contact Hardball with Chris Matthews (follows debate at 10:30pm ET):
hardball@msnbc.com

Feedback:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3303518

ABC

News Feedback:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/service/Help/abcmail_news.htm...

CBS

News Feedback:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.sht...

C-SPAN

Kerry Supporters Phone Number: 202-737-0002

++ MEDIA TOOLS ++

Democratic Underground Local Media Blaster
Democratic Underground National Media List
DNC Media Blaster
DNC Local Media Finder

++ CALL THESE UPCOMING LIBERAL RADIO SHOWS ++

Air America Radio, 24 Hrs
1-866-303-2270

THURSDAY

10pm-1am ET
Mike Malloy | 1-866-303-2270 | mike@mikemalloy.com

10apm-1am ET
Alan Colmes | 1-212-301-5900 | alan@alan.com

11pm-2am ET
Peter Werbe | 1-313-298-9742 | calltalkyes@yahoo.com

FRIDAY

12am ET
The Other Side | 1-713-526-5738 | theotherside@kpft.org

1am-4am ET
Bernie Ward | 1-415-808-0810 | bernieward2@yahoo.com

1am-4am ET
Mike Webb | 1-877-710-5476 | mike@mikewebb.org

4am-8am ET
Ray Taliaferro | 1-415-808-0810 | raytaliaferro2@yahoo.com

10am-2pm ET
Neil Rogers | 1-877-785-6345

12pm-3pm ET
Doug Basham | 1-866-820-5528 | bashamradio@yahoo.com

12pm-3pm ET
Al Franken 1-866-303-2270

1pm-3pm ET
Lynn Samuels | 1-866-997-4748 | lynnsamuels@hotmail.com

3pm-6pm
Ed Shultz | 1-877-934-6833 | james@edschultzshow.com

3pm-7pm ET
Randi Rhodes 1-866-303-2270

7pm-10pm ET
Bev Smith | 1-412-325-4197

SATURDAY

6am-9am ET
Doug Stephan | 1-800-510-8255 | doug@dougstephan.com

3pm-6pm ET
Guy James | 1-888-602-7500 | guyjames@theguyjamesshow.com

SUNDAY

12pm-1pm
Democratic Talk Radio | 1-931-433-3546 | scrockett@democratictalkradio.com

7pm-8pm ET
Mark Levine | 1-877-577-2667 | comment@radioinsidescoop.com

[LeoWindhorse]

I'm in...thanks

[MistyCA]

Let's not participate in online polls PING!

Their ineffectiveness will be much more obvious when only the dems are using them! :) Of course, knowing the copycat DU, they will stop using them too! LOL!

[mollynme]

don't we have anyone here that can write a program for the 3-5 main polls then pass it out to freepers that want to run it the whole night??

Personally, I think you have something there. If we could get the poll numbers in the millions, don't you think someone in sheeple world would become suspicious???

[45semi]

Somehow I picture it this way...
Someone from D.U.h comes here, reads this thread, and copies it over there...
THEN...
Someone here reads it over there, comes back, and to counter it, says DO go and FReep those polls!
Then the one from there comes back, reads, rush's back over, posts, and says DONT...
Why do I have a mental picture of a ship with a crowded deck swaying back and forth,
as folks run from one side to another searching for a working lifeboat?

[Navy Patriot]

I am forced to agree with your comments.

[AndyTheBear]

99% to 1% is not enough. In the spirit of rat vote fraud, Kerry should get at least a few points over 100%.

[TXBubba]

Sneetches...as in star bellies.

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[Heartland Mom]

What if this backfires? Is the RNC counting on its supporters to hit these polls?

[NewJerseyJoe]

> Lets let the polls show ridiculous numbers that Kerry won 99% to 1%.

I and others have suggested this in the past, but too many FReepers and other conservatives are convinced that they can somehow vote more than the automated computer scripts of the liberals.

I support your idea. But unfortunately, a lot of people just aren't able to grasp the concept.

[smith288]

My impression was that we ignore them all...

I believe he was joking.

[Soliton]

Have you ever seen the RNC on here asking us to do anything?

[MplsSteve]

Because it's one that usually gets ignored. It's a good one to Freep.