Mickey Kaus now picking this up as well. Could be interesting. I've always believed that there was a dishonorable discharge / court martial in Kerry's records, which is why he's refused to sign form 180.
Posted on 10/12/2004 10:14:15 PM PDT by tazannie
I hope this is good
Unlike President Bush, Senator John McCain and former vice president Al Gore, John Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. The real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March, 2001 almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. He was likely discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire. Hopefully, this will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY after only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
Mickey Kaus now picking this up as well. Could be interesting. I've always believed that there was a dishonorable discharge / court martial in Kerry's records, which is why he's refused to sign form 180.
Tonk, let me know if you want me to ping this. :)
Who is Mickey Kaus?
"I thought carter pardoned all draft dodgers who went to Canada. Why would Kerry's be secret?"
Kerry was by then a sitting elected official.
In our dreams.
While I would love this to be true & play out the way you predict, the reality is that the MSM will bury it.
Where is the CBs forged documents story? Investigating until after the election.
The SwiftVets have a lot of truth in their story, but the MSM has a wall of silence up.
The only way for this to really hit hard would be for Bush to pick it up & run with it--then the media just can't ignore it. But W is too honorable to do that based on a leaked document, even if it is true and he knows it is true. Although an ad campaign in a few tossup states might be hard to ignore.
In any event, send the SwiftVets another donation. I just gave another $100 before I saw this thread. Now I am really believing I did the right thing.
Does this mean all of his votes since that time are invalid?
The way it is phrased, you can't tell if he is saying nobody has questioned my honorable discharge or if he is saying duh I was dishonorably discharged.
Not exactly right. He was released from active duty early and was transferred to inactive (Jan 1970). However, he did not get his discharge until 1978. It was granted by Jimmy Carter.
Here comes ... : Tomorrow's N.Y. Sun supposedly has a big Kerry/honorable discharge story. ... 9:59 P.M.
thats all I see on his site...
I dunno.....like I said, it's hugely difficult to whack an officer or enlisted person serving in the Individual Ready Reserve for doing something while in a civilian status and not on official orders. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I never saw it in my 21 years on active duty in the Navy.
He could've received a General or Other Than Honorable discharge characterization, I'm not disputing that. A General characterization is relatively easy to award at discharge.
In Kerry's case, it could be having one or more (usually the limit is two) Non-Judicial Punishments (in the Navy, we call them Captain's or Admiral's Mast). In the case of most officers, their NJPs are in front of the Admiral having courts-martial convening authority over the officer's unit), and so therefore they appear at "Admiral's Mast". Most often, enlisted personnel go to Captain's Mast (in front of the Commanding Officer of their unit).
For an officer, 2 (or even 1, if the NJP is serious enough) Masts would be enough for the Department of the Navy to direct a General discharge at release from active duty AND fulfillment of his IRR commitment. An officer does not automatically receive his official discharge certificate until such fulfillment has occurred (I know...I've been retired for 5 years, and I won't receive mine until I'm too old to be retained with a designator number on the Officer Retired List; probably at age 52 ;-)
In order for LT(jg) Kerry to have received an Other Than Honorable discharge, he would've had to be screened at at least 2 NJP proceedings or one summary or special court martial. Such trial proceedings, in the case of a Special Court Martial, are not permanently sealed and are available under Freedom of Information Act procedures. I don't think that he could've been whacked at a court martial, as there is no way in this climate that such knowledge wouldn't have already gotten out.
When a servicemember petitions for an upgrade to his or her discharge classification (say, General up to Honorable), the Board of Correction of Naval Records (BCNR) hears the appeal and makes a decision. This can be affected by all sorts of evidence, but rarely does the Board hear arguments from a Congressperson as to the suitability for upgrade of one of their constituents, though it has happened in the past.
BCNR records are harder to get at, due to the sensitivity of the nature of the request (change of service characterization), and usually these records are given out only grudgingly, if at all. It is conceivable that LT(jg) Kerry and his sponsors (influential people in the Washington D.C. power elite) were successful in an appeal, if were one to have taken place.
This could explain why he has never made available all of his officer fitness reports or a complete DD-214 (certificate of release or discharge from active duty, which all service members receive upon leaving the military) history.
Stranger and stranger.....
Again, B
Has anyone been over to DumbassUnlimited to see if they are feeling the heat on this?
All of his votes were invalid anyway! His entire career has been invalid.
With a name like Blogger, you really should know this. Kausfiles on Slate. He is very widely read by media insiders. He tilts left, but plays it pretty fair to both sides, and frequently hammers Kerry. His post regarding this can be found here: link please...
Verrry interesting!!! LOL! This may be quite good!!!!!
Thanks. I didn't know what a blogger was when I chose it ;o) Took some definition from the internet that could have applied to anyone posting on Free Republic. Not that I can't blog...
ah ha - yep I said his "honorable" discharge wasn't until 1978 - years after it should have been and who was Pres then? CARTER.
Bet Teddy helped, I bet - maybe we'll get K and S and T... Oh, my heart can't take this! '
Anyone for a cuppa chamomile tea with honey?
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