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Why the World Hates George W. Bush: The Secular Drive to Marginalize Faith
Breakpoint ^ | 4 Oct 04 | Allan Dobras

Posted on 10/10/2004 6:23:58 PM PDT by xzins

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To: ConservativeConvert
I read somewhere that Islam is actually less strict on homosexuality than Christianity and Judaism. This article even inferred that many young muslim men have their first sexual experience as teens with other male teens.

Having said that, there's no way they would tolerate sodomarriage.

41 posted on 10/10/2004 9:16:28 PM PDT by Lexinom (America needs Jonathan Edwards, not John Edwards)
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To: tomnbeverly
I submit that post 911 faith has become a central core to many in the United States...

Nah, Church Attendance may have had a slight uptick after the attack but it quickly returned to normal.

because if you did not pray on that day you are inhumane.

HUH? If you don't believe in God or other mythologies why would you pray, especially since if there was a God, by allowing the events to happen in first place it's obvious he's was sitting it out.

But

See Church Missed Opportunity After Sept. 11 Terrorist Attack

People who see a tragedy on the scale of 9/11 as an "Opportunity" are inhumane to say the least

42 posted on 10/10/2004 9:25:04 PM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: xzins; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave

BTTT


43 posted on 10/10/2004 9:26:05 PM PDT by EdReform (Have you seen FAHRENHYPE 9/11? - www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240926/posts)
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To: xzins

My god can whip your god is a poor argument for debate. My god can whip your non-god is worse.


44 posted on 10/10/2004 9:31:50 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fear is the fountain of hostility.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Kind of gives an interesting perspective on things at the time, doesn't it?

Then why are there so many terrorist problems in the Philippines which is the one of the most Christian countries in the world and very few Islamic terrorist attacks in Japan which is one the most Atheist countries?

45 posted on 10/10/2004 9:37:40 PM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: ConservativeConvert; xzins

CC, I believe that the article is discussing the hatred of the Left (using Reich as an example of that hate-speech), not the Islamic world.

I do believe that abortion is the primary reason that the left opposed President Bush. And, as this editorial suggests, they are using the issue of same sex marriage to knock him down and divide America further.

At the root is the Left's hatred of all Godly things and people.


46 posted on 10/10/2004 9:40:39 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: qam1

Huh? How does Planned Parenthood and Iran relate to Philippines and Christianity?


47 posted on 10/10/2004 9:42:11 PM PDT by Teslas Pigeon
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To: Zack Nguyen

This is exactly the course the nation took in the last century on adultery, divorce, heterosexual sex outside of marriage and then abortion.

I do wonder why homosexual activity and marriage is what seems to have finally spurred a backlash. And whether we've yeilded too much ground on marriage and life matters to make and win with a stand, now.


48 posted on 10/10/2004 9:49:45 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
"The outcome of this election will tell. If jfkerry wins, then you'd better be prepared to give your soul to God because the America's ass belongs to Satan."

America's ass belongs to Satan? Sounds like the title of a song from "South Park".
49 posted on 10/10/2004 10:07:11 PM PDT by Teslas Pigeon
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To: xzins

Now I know why I never liked Reich, he is stone atheist.


50 posted on 10/10/2004 10:10:56 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: JOE43270

God bless you, Joe.


51 posted on 10/10/2004 11:20:55 PM PDT by line drive to right
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To: xzins

I do believe in God and have morals but I am not deeply religious. I know there's a lot more like me that support Bush. I don't see Bush as a fundamentalist or a 'Bible thumper'. He has spoken of his faith but doesn't rub it in your face. I don't understand where the leftists come up with this image of him.


52 posted on 10/10/2004 11:26:26 PM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: xzins
The article is revealing. I've lost count of all the Bush-bashers who name president Bush's religious beliefs as their number one "concern" about his ability to run our country.

As a side note- the 78% of the population who support prayer in school had better go and vote on election day-no staying home.

53 posted on 10/10/2004 11:36:33 PM PDT by Pajamajan (John Kerry- The wrong man at the wrong time. Vote for GW BUSH=THE RIGHT MAN)
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To: xzins

bttt


54 posted on 10/11/2004 12:06:52 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Kerry's OGBYN: Ogstetrics and Bynecology!)
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To: EdReform; Happy2BMe; Smartass; PhilDragoo; devolve
Robert Reich: Mental midget .....


Former Clinton labor secretary, Robert Reich, put this clash of worldviews in clear perspective in his July 1, 2004article entitled “Bush’s God,” which was published in The American Prospect. The article complains about a Bush campaign strategy that is designed to reach out to persons of faith. Mr. Reich says in part:

In its eagerness to promote the teaching of creationism in public schools, encourage school prayer, support anti-sodomy statutes, ban abortions, bar gay marriage, limit the use of stem cells, reduce access to contraceptives, and advance the idea of America as a "Christian nation," the Bush administration has done more to politicize religion than any administration in recent American history…

The great conflict of the 21st century may be between the West and terrorism. But terrorism is a tactic, not a belief. The underlying battle will be between modern civilization and anti-modernist fanatics; between those who believe in the primacy of the individual and those who believe that human beings owe blind allegiance to a higher authority; between those who give priority to life in this world and those who believe that human life is no more than preparation for an existence beyond life; between those who believe that truth is revealed solely through scripture and religious dogma, and those who rely primarily on science, reason, and logic. Terrorism will disrupt and destroy lives. But terrorism is not the only danger we face.

In essence, Mr. Reich is saying that “Bush’s God” is more of a threat to modern civilization than fanatical terrorism .....



55 posted on 10/11/2004 2:42:21 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ConservativeConvert

Why are you talking about Islam? It does not appear in the article.


56 posted on 10/11/2004 3:37:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: qam1

God's allowing 9/11 is not evidence He was sitting it out.


57 posted on 10/11/2004 3:38:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: qam1
Then why are there so many terrorist problems in the Philippines which is the one of the most Christian countries in the world and very few Islamic terrorist attacks in Japan which is one the most Atheist countries?

1. There aren't any Muslims in Japan.

2. The people of the Philippines may be nominally "Christian," but the government isn't necessarily so. In fact, the Catholic bishops of that country have been increasingly at odds with the nation's government over the last few years.

58 posted on 10/11/2004 3:39:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: Old Professer

The issue is which of the two world views described in the article best describes reality.


59 posted on 10/11/2004 3:42:47 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: dougherty

I agree with you. Many religious conservatives worry that the President doesn't make more clear statements on the subject of his own faith. He is definitely no "bible thumper."

However, he appears to have a rock-solid set of moral beliefs that are based in a Judeo-Christian value system.


60 posted on 10/11/2004 3:46:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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