Posted on 10/07/2004 3:55:55 PM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy
"K, but he only gets pardoned when everyone who was the clear victim of racism is posthumously pardoned.
I await the list from you".
Red herring
This fallacy is committed when someone introduces irrelevant material to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points made, towards a different conclusion.
A story was circulated that Jack Johnson was denied passage on board the Titanic.... Thus, according to the legend, the only Black person on board was a worker in the boiler room. (Actually there were no Black passengers, nor were there Black crew members.)
I simply cannot find the Jamie Brockett song about the Titanic. That was a scream. It is frustrating because I have it on MP3 on my other hard drive which crashed big time some while back. Eventually I'll retrieve it, but right now that Jack Johnson song seems to be unobtainable by someone with my lack of patience.
It was midnight on the sea,
Band playin' "Nearer My God to Thee"
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"Titanic when it got its load,
Captail hollered, "All aboard,"
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"Jack Johnson want to get on board,
Captain said, "I ain't hauling no coal,"
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"Titanic was comin 'round the curve,
When she ran in to a big iceberg,
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"Titanic was sinkin' down,
Had lifeboats all around
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"Had them lifeboats all around,
Savin the women and children, lettin' men go down,
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"Jack Johnson heard the mighty shock
Mighta seen him doin' the Eagle Rock
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"When the women and children got to land,
Crying "Lord have mercy on my man,"
Cryin', "Fare thee, Titanic, fare the well,"
Sorry. Nice try. The argument is that Johnson should be posthumously pardoned (remember, he served a grand total of 1 year after being on the lam for 7: for the charge itself and for evading justice he served a grand total of 1 year, there are people who were lynched and hanged for racist motivations) because he was a victim of racism. Why does he get special treatment? Why should his family get special consideration because their ancestor happens to have been famous?
I think you are mistaken. Saco & Vanzetti were convicted in State (Mass.), not federal, court, and were posthumously pardoned by the Massachusetts legislature.
Governor Peter Fuller's son protested that decision vociferously. Governor Peter Fuller's son was for years a well known car salesman in Massachusetts.
Thank both of you for the replies.
I shall do a bit more research and post another reply later. For now, I shall defer to Radix and seek his input.
Thank Both of you for your replies and input.
(My memory isn't what it once was.....forget that Pic on my Profile Page...It's over 25 years ago....I don't look like that anymore....wish I did :)
(Hey, I may be old but never too old to learn :)
Actually it was Governor Dukakis who pardoned the pair. Perhaps the Legislature had to affirm the act later, but it was Dukakis who initiated the act.
The best you can do is to right a wrong as it comes up. Take them one at a time, and only when there is clear and convincing evidence.
Goodbye Troll.
Well, all I have to say is anytime I see 'documentary filmmaker' and 'Ken Burns' together I begin to giggle. I once read an article that detailed 100 factual errors in his 'Baseball,' and there were clearly many more than just 100 errors.
I am a huge baseball fan and watched the first part when it broadcast and had to turn it off: I swear there were 100 factual errors in the first hour, let alone the entire run.
Burns is the Donald Trump of PBS - no credibility whatsoever with anybody familiar with the topic he tackles.
He tends to play best with the types of folks who read the Sunday NY Times religiously, for some odd reason.
I suspect Burns's true value to PBS is that they can package $ 89 DVD versions of his long winded, amateurish 'documentaries' as special gifts for people who donate $500 to PBS. (Yea, for all the talk about 'no commercials,' they seem to spend a lot of time begging for money - if that isn't 'commercial,' nothing is).
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