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BOXER JACK JOHNSON PRESEDENTIAL PARDON
15 Rounds.Com ^ | Thursday October 7, 2004

Posted on 10/07/2004 3:55:55 PM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy

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Hmmmmm. This could be an interesting thread.
1 posted on 10/07/2004 3:55:55 PM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
If granted, it would be only the second posthumous presidential pardon in U.S. history, the first being President Clinton's 1999 pardon of the former slave and first black army officer Henry O. Flipper

John Kerry's long lost relative?

2 posted on 10/07/2004 3:57:30 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

From everything I've ever heard about this, Johnson truly was the victim of racism in these charges. I hope they give him a pardon. He was the original breaker of the color barrier . . . not Jackie Robinson.


3 posted on 10/07/2004 3:59:08 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: So Cal Rocket

Don't insult LT Flipper by comparing him to Kerry.


4 posted on 10/07/2004 3:59:34 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Black & white liberals practice intellectual apartheid when in comes to black conservatives!)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

from what I read of jack johnson he seemed like a pretty interesting guy (then again I haven't read that much about jack johnson)


5 posted on 10/07/2004 4:00:17 PM PDT by escapefromboston
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To: So Cal Rocket

Clinton and his stupid precedents. This nonsense could go on forever. The dead are all innocent, they're certainly beyond the reach of law. Let this dumb idea die with Clinton.


6 posted on 10/07/2004 4:01:46 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: mhking

Thought you'd be interested in this.


7 posted on 10/07/2004 4:01:56 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Bush Democrats = Zell's Angels)
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To: So Cal Rocket
John Kerry's long lost relative?

You connected the dots on the second post!

8 posted on 10/07/2004 4:04:30 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: AmishDude

Some of these people truly were innocent though and just victims of a less-tolerant time. Why shouldn't the situation be rectified, if possible, to give dignity back to the convicted's family? It's not like it takes a lot of effort.


9 posted on 10/07/2004 4:04:49 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: So Cal Rocket

Bush should pardon him and get some decent press for once. I read up on Johnson at one point and he was a remarkable guy.


10 posted on 10/07/2004 4:05:47 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: AmishDude
This is even worse. The guy left the country, returned and served his time (a sentence he never should have served, apparently) and then was, from what I could tell, released to live the rest of his life.

It's not like the guy died in prison (unless I read the article wrong). This is profoundly stupid. What's next? Overturning 70-year-old jaywalking convictions?

11 posted on 10/07/2004 4:06:51 PM PDT by AmishDude
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Some of these people truly were innocent though and just victims of a less-tolerant time.

Of course they were.

Why shouldn't the situation be rectified, if possible, to give dignity back to the convicted's family?

OK, what if the guy is guilty? Some president gives a posthumous pardon under pressure from a convict's family and it's discovered later that the guy was guilty as sin and a monster. What then?

It's not like it takes a lot of effort.

You are exactly right. It takes nothing. It means nothing. It is an empty, useless gesture. It trivializes the awesome power of presidential pardons and I would much rather have the president overturn real injustice than give his stamp of approval to a family who is, apparently, not sufficiently convinced of their dead relative's innocence that they need an official imprimatur.

12 posted on 10/07/2004 4:10:48 PM PDT by AmishDude
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It's not stupid to Johnson's descendents. How would you like it if your grandfather was one of the most famous boxers ever. Part of his fame, however, wasn't because of his ability but because of some trumped-up conviction just because of his race. I have NO problems with them pardoning this "crime".


13 posted on 10/07/2004 4:12:35 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: AmishDude

I would imagine Johnson is up in heaven wondering why a bunch of poverty pimps and jabba the hut lookalikes want to use his name. Heaven is the ultimate pardon and those democrats to include hatch are a bunch of morons. They are just doing feel good politics at the most. Johnson was guilty of no crime. Only the democrats created this law to hinder any person of color. I think the great Jack Johnson would not accept any help from these hypocrites. Maybe he would have knocked jesse's and jabba kennedy's running lights out for good. Bush/Cheney 2004


14 posted on 10/07/2004 4:12:40 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: AmishDude

But it has become quite clear that Johnson was not a monster and that he was the clear vicim of racism.


15 posted on 10/07/2004 4:13:48 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: So Cal Rocket
If granted, it would be only the second posthumous presidential pardon in U.S. history, the first being President Clinton's 1999.....

Pure B.S.
Reagan posthumously pardoned Sacco & Vanzetti.
(If memory serves, there have been some few others. I don't have time to do a search just now. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

16 posted on 10/07/2004 4:13:49 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Callahan

I agree that it's an easy plus. Harms no one and again reminds people that this President and his party are not the racists the haters paint us to be.


17 posted on 10/07/2004 4:14:15 PM PDT by good_fight (Anglo-Catholic in religion, classicist in literature, realist in politics.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
OK, but he only gets pardoned when everyone who was the clear victim of racism is posthumously pardoned.

I await the list from you.

18 posted on 10/07/2004 4:15:36 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
The Johnson pardon movement was initiated this summer by [filmmaker] Burns, who pursued the cause on Capitol Hill . . .

Nawww, no conflict of interest there.

19 posted on 10/07/2004 4:19:04 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

I'm willing to grant an immediate pardon for Johnson for the instant arrest and incarceration of Mohammed Ali (Casus Clay), an unrepentant coward, and shameless draft dodger.


20 posted on 10/07/2004 4:24:38 PM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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