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Kerry Lied, And So Did I...
WinterSoldier.com ^ | October 6, 2004 | Steve Pitkin

Posted on 10/06/2004 8:35:23 PM PDT by Interesting Times

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When John Kerry testified to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 that American troops in Vietnam were ravaging the country with widespread atrocities, it was based on a pack of lies. I know, because I told some of those lies after Kerry coached me on what to say.

I was wounded in 1969 and when well enough to walk and return to the US I was spit on, ridiculed and had feces thrown at my uniform. I was mad at my country for sending me to a war it was not committed to win and bitter at being vilified for serving my country.

After discharge from the Army I met a representative of “Vietnam Veterans Against the War.” He wore jungle fatigues, spoke like a Vietnam veteran and held out a hand of friendship, a kind of Vietnam era VFW. I joined, not knowing they were radicals.

After several VVAW meetings my recruiter said we were needed in a Detroit meeting called Winter Soldier to support members recounting bad experiences in Vietnam, and there would be a free concert.

I rode to Detroit with John Kerry and others in a freezing cold van. While Kerry was interested in atrocities, I hoped to meet pretty women.

In Detroit Kerry pressed me to testify but I told him I didn’t see any atrocities in Vietnam. They needed me for their purpose because I was one of the few present who had been in combat.

During a break, John Kerry and some moderators surrounded me. Kerry said, “I need you to say you saw war crimes and atrocities in Vietnam.” Others said “Come on man, the brothers need you!” and “Don’t you want to help save lives in Vietnam?” Someone whispered in my ear “It’s a long walk back to Baltimore.”

I reluctantly agreed to say something, and Kerry said “OK, we’re going to have a dialogue with you recorded before you go out there. I need you to talk about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel.”

Kerry coached me to “Specify indiscriminate artillery on villages, racism, brutality and rape.” He said he’d help me with specifics.

When the camera came on, Kerry asked “What brings you here to Detroit?” Was he kidding? I felt betrayed, I tried to evade by mumbling how hard that was to answer and I felt a strong desire to leave.

But I didn’t. Following Kerry’s prompting I told false stories, a rambling bunch of generalities sprinkled with references to racism, atrocities, and an organized underground in country, along with some half-truths to please the mob.

When it was over I went on with my life, rejoined the military, and buried VVAW as a dark memory. When I later discovered Kerry had been meeting with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong in Paris and repeating their talking points in the US while our boys were still dying, I was sick at having helped him.

I have noted the backlash against veterans who speak out against Kerry now that he wants to be President. Many call it dirty politics. But it makes no difference to me whether Kerry is a Democrat or Republican; this is a matter of keeping faith with my country. Whatever you say about me, I now must tell the truth about Kerry and about myself.

Recently in Washington DC a group of Vietnam vets held a rally. At the last minute I was given a few moments to speak to the crowd of thousands. I nervously stepped up on the stage, gripped the podium with shaking hands and as I confessed to the crowd what I had done long ago I could see anger on their faces. But when I asked them to forgive me, I heard someone shout "You're already forgiven!" I saw aging veterans, wives and their adult children standing in the sun with tears on their faces. There were also smiles. From these people I felt closure, my dark conscience brightened. As I stepped off the stage, many lined up to shake my hand and hug me, and I was overwhelmed.

I failed those I owed the most loyalty long ago. That’s my fault, not John Kerry’s. But Kerry did use me, and he knowingly used lies to denounce a generation of fine American troops.

Kerry played on people’s fears to gain his own political advantage 33 years ago, no matter the danger to our troops. He’s doing the same thing again today.

This time it’s Iraq.

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Steve Pitkin
Boca Raton, Florida

See also: Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers by Scott Swett


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: homeatlast; johnkerry; kerry; kerrylied; kerryliedrally; phonywarcrimes; stevepitkin; vvaw; wintersoldier
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To: Interesting Times
This is a blockbuster.......
Whoever reads this thread with any influence at all in any media.. could serve thier country greatly by provideing some visiblity.. This poor dude might not want anymore visiblity but I'll bet he could be convinced to serve his country AGAIN... This trumps the debates..
41 posted on 10/06/2004 10:38:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
ATOMIC_PUNK... ping-a-ling......ping-a-ling...
AP would you please step to the cure'sy phone...
42 posted on 10/06/2004 10:50:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Smartass

bump


43 posted on 10/06/2004 11:05:48 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Interesting Times

Any photos of Steve and Kerry? Always accused of making this stuff up. Is Steve in Kerry's first book?


44 posted on 10/06/2004 11:16:44 PM PDT by tuckrdout (Grant Teri Schindler (Schiavo) her wishes: Divorce and LIFE!)
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To: bear11

Ping


45 posted on 10/06/2004 11:27:22 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Interesting Times

This needs to be the Swifties last ad, the final one they air before the elections.


46 posted on 10/07/2004 12:12:26 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Interesting Times; All
To read the latest on the Franchurian Candidate's bizzare exploits, click the picture, goto "last," and work backwards:

If you would like to help the Swift Boat Vets ( as I have, and I urge all to do-- even a few dollars will help ) kindly click on this logo:

Take a look at these short video clips, especially the last one. You will walk away with a heavy heart.

POW'S TELL ABOUT TORTURE

47 posted on 10/07/2004 1:03:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Interesting Times

Did he try the Wall Street Journal?


48 posted on 10/07/2004 2:52:16 AM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Interesting Times; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; ...

Major Bump


49 posted on 10/07/2004 2:52:23 AM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!!!


50 posted on 10/07/2004 3:02:00 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Interesting Times

BTT!!!!!!


51 posted on 10/07/2004 3:02:17 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Interesting Times; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; devolve; Grampa Dave; yall
Steve Pitkin submitted this remarkable article to The Washington Post,
but it apparently didn't fit their needs...

Thanks for the post and ping, I.T.

The W.P. and MSM is eager to help Kerry, and isn't interested in the truth.


52 posted on 10/07/2004 3:23:56 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (The GOP throw their trash out. The DemocRATS worship theirs.)
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To: hosepipe; Howlin; Timesink; Mr. Silverback; Utah Girl; backhoe; FITZ; Happy2BMe; ...

I would say : Unbeleivable but were taking about Kerry so i would say totally Credible !

How could a guy go to war for his country but then come home and be threatened by "it's a long walk to baltimore" Sheesh ever heard of kiss my arse jerk i'll take the bus !
seems like a laim excuse for comprimising uncultured convictions .

Guilt is a powerful thing and lying about atrocities that never happened can lay on guilt-o-plenty .

Im just glad he's clearing his concience it can only help him to do so !

Kerry on the other hand will make a great leader someday for a third world UN country like UMMMMM France !


53 posted on 10/07/2004 3:28:39 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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To: Interesting Times
Wow! Thank you, Steve Pitkin, for your courage and convictions. I'm sorry the American people treated you in such a fashion that you felt betrayed and confused enough to join VVAW in the first place. This is one American who appreciates your service to our great country.

God bless you, Steve, for coming forward to expose that hypocritical traitor JF'nK. You are once again standing up to fight for your country.

54 posted on 10/07/2004 3:29:22 AM PDT by shezza (Hello, my name is shezza and I am a FReepaholic.)
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To: MistyCA; Howlin; MeekOneGOP; Old Sarge

You guys might wanna hit some ping lists on this one. Steve Pitkin article, definitely worth the read.


55 posted on 10/07/2004 3:39:48 AM PDT by TBarnett34 (I am become death, the destroyer of vanity posts.)
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To: Interesting Times; Chieftain; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; ...

PING..............[Steve Pitkin]


56 posted on 10/07/2004 4:01:54 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (RE-READ,starting on page 16, THE CONNECTION........RE: CHENEY-IRAQ/ al-Qaida LINK)
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To: Interesting Times

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57 posted on 10/07/2004 4:22:11 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Interesting Times

"I rode to Detroit with John Kerry and others in a freezing cold van. While Kerry was interested in atrocities, I hoped to meet pretty women."

How much you wanna bet that Kerry was sniffing around for rich widows?


58 posted on 10/07/2004 4:27:35 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: IYAAYAS

"I'm sorry but this doesn't do anything for me. A man says someone 'made' him lie but now he's telling the truth?"

I agree....something is not ringing true with this guy. My Uncle came back from Vietnam and experienced what no soldier should have to experience from the very people he fought for. He was spit on, accused of being a baby killer and had to actually sneak off of the airplane so that no protesters would see him. I'm not saying that this guy is not telling the truth, I'm just saying that I'm very cautious of this mans story.


59 posted on 10/07/2004 5:57:52 AM PDT by Arpege92 (We're here! We're Conservative! And we're in your face! - theDentist)
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To: tuckrdout
Any photos of Steve and Kerry? Always accused of making this stuff up. Is Steve in Kerry's first book?

Steve's Winter Soldier quotes are cited in the Kerry / VVAW book The New Soldier. And here is video of Steve at Winter Soldier. He appears to have been the only VVAW member to be questioned directly by John Kerry.

60 posted on 10/07/2004 6:42:03 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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