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John Kerry – Less than Honorably Discharged?
The Illinois Leader ^ | 9/28/04 | Michael Ashbury

Posted on 10/03/2004 1:27:55 PM PDT by wagglebee

OPINION -- What a young man did more than 30 years ago shouldn’t be a primary criteria in determining his qualifications to be President of the United States. George Bush has had almost four years now as Commander and Chief of the World’s largest military force and he should be judged on how well he has done. Yet John Kerry and the Democratic Left won’t give it up.

On almost a daily basis, Kerry says, "I served this country honorably as a young man in Vietnam [4 months/12 days] and I will serve this country honorably as Commander and Chief." Then the Left yells that George Bush got preferential treatment in getting into the National Guard and even failed to complete his Guard obligations. They have even forged documents to prove their point.

The facts are that George Bush served honorably in the National Guard obtaining service points far in excess of the 50 annual service points required to meet his obligation.

Records show that in 1968/69 he accumulated 253 points -- 340 in 1969/70, 137 in 1970/71, 112 in 1971/72, 56 in 1972/73 and 56 in 1973/74 -- points far in excess of the service agreed to and that required to meets his obligation and be Honorably Discharged.

George Bush has never made his National Guard service a qualification to lead this country, nor has he ever questioned the service of John Kerry.

While the Left and the mainstream media have never questioned the Vietnam era service of John Kerry, they seem to feel that the record of George Bush 30 years ago should be of concern to voters in November.

But what about John Kerry’s record?

We are told that he was a decorated veteran. We are also told that he was deeply involved in anti-war activities on his return from Vietnam in violation of his oath as an officer in the US Navy. Kerry has a long and well-documented history of providing "aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of war. By his own account of his actions and protests, he violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Further he met, on two occasions, with North Vietnamese negotiators in 1970 and 1971, while a Reserve Officer, willingly placing himself in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

From here, the record of John Kerry becomes unclear and the mainstream press won’t demand that John Kerry sign a Department of Defense (DOD) form 180 that would release all of his military records.

Records released by Kerry's campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001.

Why the confusion on a relatively simple service event? Could it be that John Kerry received a less than honorable discharge in the early 70’s because of his anti-war activities? And then was pardoned for those activities when then President Jimmy Carter on January 21, 1978 (Proclamation 4483) granted a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated there under?

Did John Kerry request that his service be granted an Honorable Discharge and it was finally granted in 1978? Only a complete release of his military records will show what actually happened during this period. And to date, John Kerry has refused to sign the necessary DOD form 180 which would allow for this release.

If the Democratic Party, the mainstream press, and the Bush critics are going to demand -- as they do on almost a daily basis -- that George Bush release all of his records, shouldn’t they do the same for John Kerry?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: flipflops; kerry; kerrydischarge; kerrymilitaryrecord; vietnam
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Interesting article on skerry's military records!!!


41 posted on 10/03/2004 2:22:22 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: marineguy

I would add to it –
The recommendations for the Silver Star (with “V”!!), Bronze Star and three Purple hearts.
The complete medical records for the wounds (if any) inflicted by the enemy.


42 posted on 10/03/2004 2:24:14 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: annyokie

>>Been there, quit that!<<

LOLOL!!!


43 posted on 10/03/2004 2:26:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: wagglebee

"the only reasonable conclusion is that he is hiding something."

Skerry met with the enemy in Paris, threw his VN awards over the fence, called our troops Ghengis Ghan type, humiliated the US Marines on Iwo Jima and on and on.


44 posted on 10/03/2004 2:26:47 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: wagglebee; tongue-tied; ActiveDutyUSMC; dakine; bkwells; chookter; Hacksaw434; thumperusn; ...

Hanoi Kerry : Is this one of your October Suprises?

Tick, Tick, Tick PING!


"..From here, the record of John Kerry becomes unclear and the mainstream press won’t demand that John Kerry sign a Department of Defense (DOD) form 180 that would release all of his military records.

Records released by Kerry's campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001.

Why the confusion on a relatively simple service event? Could it be that John Kerry received a less than honorable discharge in the early 70’s because of his anti-war activities? And then was pardoned for those activities when then President Jimmy Carter on January 21, 1978 (Proclamation 4483) granted a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated there under?

Did John Kerry request that his service be granted an Honorable Discharge and it was finally granted in 1978? Only a complete release of his military records will show what actually happened during this period. And to date, John Kerry has refused to sign the necessary DOD form 180 which would allow for this release..."


45 posted on 10/03/2004 2:27:49 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: kabar
We have the official records to document this. This old canard about Kerry not receiving an honorable discharge has been surfacing again and again despite no factual basis.

See my Post 39 and my Post 19.

The question is, "Why did Kerry get an Honorable Discharge in 1978, during the Carter Administration?

His obligated service contract made him eligible for an Honorable Discharge years earlier?"

A very plausible answer is that 1978 was the year when a Less Than Honorable Discharge was upgraded to an Honorable Discharge as a result of the Carter Amnesty Program.

On January 3, 1970, Kerry allegedly "requested a discharge". Why, after his obligated service was completed years before 1978, would Kerry not have jumped at the chance to get that Honorable Discharge as soon as he possibly could?

46 posted on 10/03/2004 2:28:19 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Gucho
Correction:
It's Jenjis Khan!
47 posted on 10/03/2004 2:28:31 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bumping


48 posted on 10/03/2004 2:32:00 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

"Records released by Kerry's campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001."

Tonk - it's part of the Skerry stench.


49 posted on 10/03/2004 2:32:28 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: Beckwith

Why doesn't any reporter ask him this when they interview him? Why didn't Diane Sawyer, Katie Couric. WHY?


50 posted on 10/03/2004 2:32:39 PM PDT by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: wagglebee

"Correction:
It's Jenjis Khan!"

Thank you :)


51 posted on 10/03/2004 2:33:53 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: wagglebee
One point I would like to make about those extra points W earned while in the National Guard. There are many ways you can earn extra points but most often the points are earned WITHOUT pay. There is usually a limit to the points you can earn for pay. The rules change from time to time and different types of officers have different opportunities to earn points for pay. Usually it is non-pay. A good example is a civilian conference for Medical Professionals. Sometimes they can get paid for going but most often not. It is not unusual for some officers to drill and earn points without pay for years on end.

It may be interesting to find out if those years where W earned 200+ points were for pay or non-pay?
52 posted on 10/03/2004 2:34:24 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Hildy
Why doesn't any reporter ask him this when they interview him? Why didn't Diane Sawyer, Katie Couric. WHY?

Diane Sawyer?! Katie Couric?!
That's the funniest damn thing I've heard all day!

53 posted on 10/03/2004 2:34:51 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee
We have got to get the pressure put on Kerry to sign this form. The MSM is really showing its true colors on this one. They would grip on to this and not let go if this were Bush refusing to sign the form. Like a well run campaign, we bloggers must get focused and on message. We need to pound this issue and the fraud problem. Those are the most important things going on right now and we can bring it to light if we try hard enough.
54 posted on 10/03/2004 2:34:58 PM PDT by Clump
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


56 posted on 10/03/2004 2:38:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kabar
Kerry was honorably discharged in Feb 1978. He was released from active duty into the inactive reserves on Jan 3, 1970 with no drill obligation and just had the requirement to keep the Navy informed of his whereabouts since he was subject to recall. Kerry was placed into the inactive Standby Reserves on July 1, 1972. We have the official records to document this. This old canard about Kerry not receiving an honorable discharge has been surfacing again and again despite no factual basis.

Sounds just like what the Bush folks are saying about their man's ANG service. Difference is they've released his records and been subject to falsified documents by Kerry supporters. Yet your kind continue to demand proof without actually presenting your own proof. Tell your man to sign the release and to stop throwing around charges of lying until he's willing to meet the same burden of proof he demands of others.

57 posted on 10/03/2004 2:43:34 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: Clump

If sKerry signed form 180 today, he would make a huge show of it. And then his underlings would see to it that the "wheels of bureacracy" ground to a halt and the records would conveniently be unavailable until after the election.


58 posted on 10/03/2004 2:45:13 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee; holdonnow
"Records released by Kerry's campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001. "

Er....as LATE as MARCH 12, 2001??????? Sounds like someone was concerned about making sure his record of service was wiped real clean before a presidential run....SICK!

I find that more than interesting, I find it completely WEIRD.

I do NOT WANT a man who was dishonorably DISCHARGED EVER being our commander in chief. EVER! That would be TERRIBLE for our TROOPS! And it gives kerry a MAJOR REASON to hate the military....which his VOTING RECORD in the SENATE denotes.

Perhaps danny rather would be interested in doing an in depth looksee at this? < /sarcasm >

Seriously-this needs some major investigation~

59 posted on 10/03/2004 2:52:12 PM PDT by Republic (Will michael shiavo and his concubine and children now preside over the murder of Terri?)
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To: wagglebee

Probably true.


60 posted on 10/03/2004 2:54:02 PM PDT by Clump
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