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Moore controversy finally lessening
Deseret News ^ | 1 October 2004 | Laura Warner

Posted on 10/01/2004 11:31:01 AM PDT by batter

UVSC expects continued support from most donors

After two weeks of tempest, the storm of controversy swirling around Michael Moore's much-debated, much-anticipated appearance at Utah Valley State College appears to be waning.

And that's a relief for UVSC chiefs, who braced for any financial repercussions over bringing the "Fahrenheit 9/11" filmmaker to Utah Valley, which during the 1980s earned the moniker as the most Republican county in the nation.

"What we heard the first few days was a natural reaction, and I don't think people can be blamed for feeling that way," said Tom Heal, director of the UVSC Foundation, the college's fund-raising arm.

"But I don't think our loss is going to be substantial. I think the majority of our donors will stay with us and will want to maintain their support."

UVSC isn't taking chances, however. College leaders are seeking face-to-face meetings with the college's major donors to head off concerns about the student government's decision to pay Moore $40,000 of student fees to speak Oct. 20.

Top college leaders insist that no donors have actually pulled funding from the state school, although several donors have threatened to do so.

"We're trying to communicate with our donor base and remind them of all the good things the college does day to day," said Derek Hall, UVSC spokesman. "We're out contacting people and keeping the lines of communication open."

No amount of persuasion, however, will convince former Springville Mayor Hal Wing to share a $1.4 million art collection with UVSC's Woodbury Art Gallery.

Although he's a UVSC fan and former donor, he's promised the art and a significant donation to nearby Brigham Young University — a decision based on his displeasure with Moore, whom he calls "a man who doesn't know how to do anything but spew his vile venom around."

"I do not have a vote or a voice at UVSC — and probably do not deserve one — but we live in a society where we have the constitutional right as free Americans to voice our opinion," Wing said. "We can vote with our voice, we can vote with our feet and we can vote with our pocketbooks, and I have decided to vote against this man coming to UVSC in the only manner I know how."

Hall said the college never finalized negotiations with Wing for the art collection and doesn't consider it a tangible loss.

And other major donors, he said, are backing away from threats to abandon UVSC, which receives 47 percent of its funding from state taxes. Tuition and donations make up the rest.

"The one positive that came out of this Michael Moore controversy, and I mean the only one, is that there are some legislators who want to rein in how student fees are spent," state Rep. Jeff Alexander, R-Provo, said at a leadership conference Thursday.

"I'm absolutely against that, but we'll have a great opportunity if they bring that up during the legislative session because we can say the reason student fees are so high at UVSC is because the college isn't getting enough funding from the state. If they want more say at UVSC, they'd better give it more money."

While financial concerns are being quietly resolved with donors, students at UVSC continue to raise their voices about the scheduled visits by Moore and conservative talk-show host Sean Hannity, who will provide an opposing viewpoint when he visits the college Oct. 11.

Tickets to see Hannity haven't sold as fast as those for Moore.

Those interested in hearing the liberal filmmaker snatched up 3,500 tickets in five days. But after a week of sales, close to 1,000 tickets to see Hannity remain.

An anti-Hannity rally is planned for Monday — the latest in a series of demonstrations and debates at the college — and students circulating a petition to recall the decision to host Moore and the student body officers who invited him have enough signatures to get a recall election.

However, they are waiting to see if litigation against the student council is an option.

UVSC President William Sederburg admits that the brouhaha over Moore's appearance has increased political discourse on campus, even if it's been detrimental to the college's reputation.

"The appearance of Mr. Moore does not represent the best of colleges, but colleges do need to be forums for discussion," Sederburg said at the leadership conference.

He noted that Moore didn't stir up the same amount of controversy Monday at Ferris State University in Michigan, where Sederburg served as president before coming to UVSC in fall 2003

"He is not that controversial in Michigan, including the school I was at, where 1,500 showed up for his speech this week," Sederburg said. "There were five picketers outside, and the president's office received only eight phone calls."


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and students circulating a petition to recall the decision to host Moore and the student body officers who invited him have enough signatures to get a recall election. Burried in the article. Good work guys!
1 posted on 10/01/2004 11:31:01 AM PDT by batter
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To: RecallUVSC; JPJones; Utah Binger; Utah Girl; T Minus Four; Rad_J; Technocrat; redrock; ...
PING!

We need to find out who the major donors are and contact them (especially if anyone does business with them). Folks in Utah County/UVSC - please help with this.

2 posted on 10/01/2004 11:32:36 AM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: soccer8

Now watch: the Leftists will call the decision to un-invite Moore "CENSORSHIP!" But these are the same sorts of jackwits who think it's perfectly legitimate to un-invite the First Lady of the United States of America because they don't like her husband's stand on the Second Amendment.


3 posted on 10/01/2004 11:33:13 AM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: soccer8
"I do not have a vote or a voice at UVSC — and probably do not deserve one — but we live in a society where we have the constitutional right as free Americans to voice our opinion," Wing said. "We can vote with our voice, we can vote with our feet and we can vote with our pocketbooks, and I have decided to vote against this man coming to UVSC in the only manner I know how."

More good work.

4 posted on 10/01/2004 11:41:32 AM PDT by KiloLima (Somewhere, over the rainbow... Skies are blue...)
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To: soccer8

Tell Mr. Moore if he wants to promote his movies on that campus, he should be required to pay for it, like any advertiser. He should not be paid anything to appear; but should be allowed to speak about anything he wants, as long as students opposed to his point of view don't have to pay for it.


5 posted on 10/01/2004 11:42:37 AM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: soccer8

Unbelievable. A $40,000 speaker's fee to a jerk who has gotten rich by lying to people who don't know any better than to buy tickets to his propaganda films.

Michael Moore is laughing all the way to the bank. A bunch of poor students have paid to make him even richer.


6 posted on 10/01/2004 11:44:29 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: soccer8

Sigh. America's ever-diminishing short attention span.

Well, when we get a week out, maybe we'll get it ramped up again.


7 posted on 10/01/2004 12:15:14 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: T Minus Four

Great news from Virginia -- Michael Moore's $35,000 speech at George Mason U. (a state school) slated for October has been CANCELLED. Apparently, it had not been advertised yet, but word got out an folks started contacting their legislators, and two "conservative" legislators contacted the school president..and VOILA, it was deemed unwise to use state funds for what is essentially a political speech this close to an election. Whew! That was a close one.


8 posted on 10/01/2004 12:24:13 PM PDT by elk
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To: elk

That is good news.


9 posted on 10/01/2004 12:35:06 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: elk

This guy should be standing on a soapbox in central park, getting "paid" with rotten tomatoes.

He raked in -- what? -- 100 or 200 million dollars with that malicious propaganda crap, and he's charging 5 figures to speak? Doesn't sound like "free speech" to me, maggot!


10 posted on 10/01/2004 1:22:01 PM PDT by KiloLima (Somewhere, over the rainbow... Skies are blue...)
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To: T Minus Four; JPJones; redrock
We need to start getting organized now.

JPJones and redrock - are you familiar with UVSC? If so, what would be good meeting spot and time (I think Moore is speaking at noon) for the rally?

We'll want to meet a bit early so all the freepers/lurkers can find each other and go to the rally as a group.

I will also e-mail Vreeland and Wright to see what they have organized for the rally.

Lastly, Utah Binger is looking for some files (preferably PDF) to print a bunch of 11X17 signs. Does anyone have contacts/link for sign files?
Also plan on bringing your own sign so that we can give Utah Binger's signs to those who turn up without one.

11 posted on 10/01/2004 1:24:43 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Utah Binger; Utah Girl; Rad_J; Technocrat; Excuse_My_Bellicosity; glock rocks; JCEccles; ...

See post #11


12 posted on 10/01/2004 1:26:07 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: soccer8

Don't forget to bring your flag to wave proudly.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 1:31:35 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: soccer8; Utah Binger

what sort of signs?


14 posted on 10/01/2004 1:33:20 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: soccer8
After two weeks of tempest, the storm of controversy swirling around Michael Moore's
much-debated, much-anticipated appearance at Utah Valley State College
appears to be waning


Note to Deseret News:
I can believe CBS News, the NY Times and other liberal rags discounting
"bloggers in pajamas".

But it's something of hoot to see The Deseret News make the same mistake.

Let me put it this way, this ROBBERY of FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS of student funds
for the dissemination of G-DLESS, LIBERAL LIES in order to enrich a
FAT, UGLY bit of contagion from outside of G-D's COUNTRY, UTAH ain't gonna disappear
until freepers quit bumping this and other threads about this pornographic theft.
15 posted on 10/01/2004 1:35:09 PM PDT by VOA
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To: All
Hers's a useful link: How are big protest signs made?
16 posted on 10/01/2004 1:36:06 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: soccer8
the student government's decision to pay Moore
$40,000 of student fees
to speak Oct. 20.


Here is a
"Michael Moore Gets Rich Off The Tuition You Pay For Your Kid" BUMP!
17 posted on 10/01/2004 1:44:09 PM PDT by VOA
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To: T Minus Four

We would like to stick with signs of support for our troops, country, and president.


18 posted on 10/01/2004 1:46:04 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: T Minus Four
Thanks. I think Binger only has access to 11X17 sheets and was planning on just making a bunch of those signs. However, you may wish to contact him about pasting them into something larger...

Also, who's a good freeper to contact on signs - I was thinking of one of the D.C. chapter freepers as they have done a bunch of rallies and figure they may have something 'on hand'. Any idea who's involved in the D.C. chapter?

19 posted on 10/01/2004 1:53:50 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: soccer8
You have freep mail. Would like to see a large turn out for a GOOD FREEP!
20 posted on 10/01/2004 2:00:10 PM PDT by Issaquahking (U.N., greenies, etc. battling against the U.S. and Constitution one freedom at a time. Fight Back !)
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