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Orgies are the way to ease social tensions, claims US judge (Scalia?)
The Guardian ^ | Friday October 1, 2004

Posted on 09/30/2004 11:09:17 PM PDT by Texaggie79

He is the conservative bastion of the US supreme court, a favourite of President Bush, and a hunting partner of the vice-president. He has argued vociferously against abortion rights, and in favour of anti-sodomy laws.

But it turns out that there is another side to Justice Antonin Scalia: he thinks Americans ought to be having more orgies.

Challenged about his views on sexual morality, Justice Scalia surprised his audience at Harvard University, telling them: "I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged."

It seems unlikely that this is what President Bush meant when he promised to appoint more judges like Scalia to the court, should the opportunity arise. Crucially, Justice Scalia is one of the judges in favour of overturning Roe v Wade, the landmark judgment protecting abortion as a constitutional right.

One audience member also asked the judge "whether you have any gay friends, and, if not, whether you'd like to be my friend," the Harvard Crimson newspaper reported.

"I probably do have some gay friends, but I have never pressed the point," Justice Scalia responded. He offered no clue to the logic behind his claim that orgies eliminate social tensions.

Nobody asked him whether he was familiar with Rick Moody's novel The Ice Storm, turned into a movie by Ang Lee, which appeared to suggest the exact opposite.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: activistjudges; lyingmediascum; orgies; scalia; scotus
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To: BCrago66

Of course this was taken out of context. Apparently, you can't even make a joke anymore without everyone jumping all over you.


81 posted on 10/01/2004 10:36:03 AM PDT by Antoninus (Abortion; Euthanasia; Fetal Stem Cell Research; Human Cloning; Homo Marriage - NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES)
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To: Texaggie79

Sounds like this was taken out of context. Anyone have the transcript on this conversation?


82 posted on 10/01/2004 10:38:19 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: modest proposal

""scalia orgies". Now that brings up the disturbing thought of scalia in an orgy.

*shudder*"

Here let me help that thought a bit:

"Come on Sandy, who's a bad lil judge?"


83 posted on 10/01/2004 10:39:37 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: Texaggie79
I was just explaining to my wife last night just how tense I have been...

Thanks, Judge Scalia!!

84 posted on 10/01/2004 10:54:39 AM PDT by Ghengis
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To: ZULU
Just another example of WHY Supreme Court Judges should ONLY hold office for a limited term and WHY Legislative nullification should be an option on Court decisions about Constitutionality.

You might want to read all his comments before you make that determination based on a single quote presented without any underlying context.

85 posted on 10/01/2004 11:01:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Texaggie79

It is true - power corrupts completely.

That one of power's rotten to the core.


86 posted on 10/01/2004 11:03:12 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Texaggie79

I'm feeling very tense right now. Who's with me?


87 posted on 10/01/2004 11:05:18 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: nmh
Sounds like this was taken out of context. Anyone have the transcript on this conversation?

Try here.

88 posted on 10/01/2004 11:09:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cjshapi

Dunno. It depends on who's involved.


89 posted on 10/01/2004 11:34:11 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: BCrago66

Thank You for the context, though I'd really like to hear a recording of this discussion to fully appease my mind.


90 posted on 10/01/2004 11:42:34 AM PDT by Pagey ("How did Hillary Clinton become a Senator"? Have you ever asked yourself that question?)
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To: Junior

I was thinking of the Judge. That is too gross to contemplate.


91 posted on 10/01/2004 11:55:56 AM PDT by cjshapi
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To: Texaggie79
I'm guessing he's using a hypothetical moral view to contrast with a legal judgment. Contrast "I believe" with "I'm required by the constitution...".
92 posted on 10/01/2004 12:22:09 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: xm177e2
I want to see Scalia with O'Connor and Bader-Ginsberg. Wow. That would be hot.

After you saw that, you'd have to shoot yourself. Either to put yourself out of your misery, or because once you'd seen that, there wouldn't be anything to "top" it (in a negative sort of way).

Yuck.

93 posted on 10/01/2004 12:25:58 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Texaggie79

Yeah baby, I'm in!!!!

94 posted on 10/01/2004 12:32:42 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: Texaggie79

Now it's starting to come out...HE WAS JOKING, relating to his earlier mocking of the gay group sex decision in Europe. Relax, people.


Supreme Court justice gets racy on talk circuit
- GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
Friday, October 1, 2004


(10-01) 12:40 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's recent speeches have ventured into some surprising territory, with the staunchly conservative father of nine joking about sexual orgies.

Scalia is known for a biting humor and is entertaining on the talk circuit and on the bench during the court's argument sessions.

He raised some eyebrows with a speech this week at Harvard University, however, with a comment about the number of people needed for group sex and the jest that "sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged."

He made a similar remark in a speech Sept. 20 in Washington, to chuckles from the crowd at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center, while making the point that judges can have personal moral judgments. It is not judges' role to impose them on citizens, he said.

"Let me make it clear that the problem I am addressing is not the social evil of the judicial dispositions I have described. I accept, for the sake of argument, for example, that sexual orgies eliminate social tension and ought to be encouraged," Scalia said with a smile.

The 68-year-old was named to the Supreme Court in 1986 by President Reagan, and President Bush has said that Scalia is one of the justices he admires most.

A Harvard Law School graduate, he was invited to Cambridge, Mass., and spoke Tuesday to a packed auditorium.

According to The Harvard Crimson newspaper, Scalia ridiculed a European court decision that struck down British legislation barring group gay sex on the ground that the law intruded upon private life. He asked rhetorically and very much tongue-in-cheek how many people it takes for such sex.

"Presumably it is some number between five and the number of people required to fill the Coliseum," Scalia said, according to the newspaper.

On a more serious note, Scalia was asked if he had any gay friends. Scalia said he probably does, but he's never "pressed the point."


95 posted on 10/01/2004 2:06:25 PM PDT by Deo et Patria (Deo et Patria)
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To: Texaggie79

He was probably telling a joke.


96 posted on 10/01/2004 5:04:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: BCrago66
What's the souce for that information ?
If it was like that, then why didn't the media apologized for telling such "lies" ?
Why didn't Scalia denied these "lies" ?
Why didn't Scalia sue the "liars" ?
97 posted on 10/01/2004 5:43:51 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Yeah, who else is feeling, uh, tense, tonight?


98 posted on 10/01/2004 5:47:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("medals, ribbons, we threw away the symbols of what our country gave us and I'm proud of that")
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To: SheLion
ORGIES?

And all these years I have been stressed out while thinking a hot cup of coffee and a smoke after a long walk with the dog was washing away my tensions and stress! : (

99 posted on 10/01/2004 6:31:04 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Justice Scalia was simply making the following rhetorical point. To paraphrase his thinking

"Even if we accept the questionable hypothesis that orgies reduce social tension, nonetheless government can still ban them, on the grounds of health, hygiene, morality etc. "

Justice Scalia argues that the government should be able to regulate sexual and moral relations via anti-sodomy laws. He further has asserted that such regulation does not intrude on any constitutional rights (specifically the "right to privacy", which Scalia thinks is a fictional).

Remember, Scalia has forcefully argued that the government is entitled to define the franchise of marriage as being only a man & a woman.

Scalia is opposing libertarianism. Nothing more.

100 posted on 10/02/2004 3:04:47 PM PDT by Teplukin
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