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Personal encounter with rabid Bush-hater and Swift Boat Vets-denier

Posted on 09/26/2004 9:53:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

I just got back from a trout fishing trip with some friends. Somehow Kerry came up, and I mentioned the fact that the War Remnants Museum in Saigon/Ho Chi Minh City has a photograph of John Kerry honoring him as a NORTH Vietnam war hero, and that this made Mr. Kerry a traitor to his country.

A friend of a friend who was fishing with us WENT OUT OF HIS MIND. He said it was a lie, and the the Bushes were this and that and the other thing. I offered to give him my copy of "Unfit for Command" and he said there was nothing but lies in it, even though he has never seen it.

It was pretty incredible. There are some deeply disturbed Liberals out there right now, and like all people who wear "peace" on their sleeves like "the religion of peace," I fear violence when John Kerry suffers a humiliating defeat this November.

If it's not close, they can't cheat, but I am betting that soon you won't be able to tell the difference between a Liberal and an Islamofascist.

Sorry for the vanity, but this encounter really bothered me.


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KEYWORDS: crazythinkers; distrubedleft; insanity; liberalliars; librage; loonyleft; mindcontrolled; poorlosers; rabidbushhaters; rats; rubberrooms; votegwb
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To: Ramonan
Just a thought for the history nuts. The book Presidential Leadership is fantastic. After reading it, I ended up buying three copies for various relatives who have waffled politically in the past. Beyond the chapters rating the presidents, there are chapters of how presidents have done on the economy, in war time, and after close elections. It's a great read and eye opening.
81 posted on 09/26/2004 10:53:26 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: Crazieman
Actually, if you think back to 2000, a lot of folks were saying the same thing about that election: that Bill Clinton was going to declare martial law to stay in power, that civil war was imminent if Gore won, etc. IIRC, folks were buying emergency rations, stocking up on water, etc. And yet here we are.

My advice? Work hard every day to register new legal voters, sign up as a poll monitor, etc. The Bush Administration is presenting a powerful positive message, one that will (I believe) lead to a lopsided victory in November. The more lopsided it is, the sooner liberals will start to reconsider the fever swamps into which they've been led...

Two positive trends - they're pro-choice, and we're pro-2nd Amendment; two negative trends: we need to do more about illegal immigration (can't win WOT w/o winning WOII, IMHO), and we need to break up the liberal education establishment)

82 posted on 09/26/2004 10:54:55 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It's the hysterical "assault and scream in your face" that is so shocking, isn't it. Suddenly, they direct all that hate at all. They try to beat the snot out of you, as though you are President Bush's effigy. They'd hurt you if they could; or thought they could get away with it. You are not treated with tolerance, nor civil respect.

Not at all surprised at your dismay. However, I tell you -- you are in good company here!

Never stop sharing your viewpoint; just remember that most spittle does wash off. I can yet see Gregory Peck wiping the ugly bigot Bob Ewell's spittle off in "To Kill a Mockingbird". In this matter, you were indeed the Gregory Peck character.

83 posted on 09/26/2004 10:56:15 AM PDT by Alia
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To: not2worry

My dad always used to say: You can pick your friends; but you can't pick your relatives. Count your blessings!


84 posted on 09/26/2004 10:57:39 AM PDT by Alia
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I thought about it alot over the last few years as to why people really hate Bush. I can only think that it is because he stands in such stark contrast to Bill Clinton, the biggest joke and embarrassment in American history.


85 posted on 09/26/2004 11:00:23 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: The Duke

Well at least dims are consistent :-}


86 posted on 09/26/2004 11:01:00 AM PDT by snooker (French Fried Flip Flopper still Flouncing, be careful out there.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Having never been a liberal, even in my misspent youth, I just can't seem to fathom their mindset. I guess they don't have inquisitive minds and have let the MSM subliminalism seep into and corrupt their minds.


87 posted on 09/26/2004 11:01:24 AM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: teletech

Liberalism is also a cult. It effectively uses the tool of "expulsion from the clique" to enforce adherance to its norms and expectations.


88 posted on 09/26/2004 11:02:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: bvw

echoes of an earlier response but, I am convinced that overwhelming liberalism of our educational establishment, as evidenced by polls, voting records, etc. over 30+ years has intentionally dumbed down two generations. Graduating functional illiterates who demand a right to vote my pocket book is a recipe for disaster. When they find out the world is the opposite of what they were taught, the smarter ones will adjust their politics; the others will rebel out of frustration (IMHO)


89 posted on 09/26/2004 11:02:42 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: Ironclad
[I] have always hoped to stumble across a good book explaining what it is that channels people into liberal/socialist mindset

You know, the older I get, this Good Book has about as plausible an explanation as any:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do: he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[although, for the record, I'm not the biggest fan of the transcriber of that sentiment].

When I was a kid, we used to try to make nice with these people, and, charitably, call them things like "anti-anti-communists," when, in fact, we should have been honest and called them what they were.

I don't know how long you can stick your head in the sand and pretend that evil isn't evil.

90 posted on 09/26/2004 11:21:05 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: knarf
My conclusion is, insanity is Satanic, we have a Godly man in the White House and Satan has once again stepped up his attack(s) on the common sense and Godly morality of man.

Your premise makes sense to me. Satan hasn't much to worry about when it comes to the world's status quo. Watch out, though, when men and women of God change the status quo--Satan gets very busy.

91 posted on 09/26/2004 11:28:24 AM PDT by skr (4 mos. in Viet Nam, 2 yrs. as Lt. Gov., nearly 80% absenteeism in the Senate--no way, J.K.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
My sister's family believes we invaded Iraq to get "oil profits" for Dick Cheney and George Bush. If I try to explain about oil markets or Cheney's admirable past association with Halliburton, I just get "oh you know they don't tell the truth" and a quick rise of temper and change of subject.

I think we need a reverse get out the vote campaign. How about a $5 fee when you register, and elimination of motor voter for starters?

92 posted on 09/26/2004 11:29:19 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: hinckley buzzard
These people have made it intensely personal, so their beliefs systems have snapped shut like a box. It is closely related to clinical paranoia.

I've been working on a different theory: These people are, almost uniformly, aetheists.

Having turned their backs on God, they experience a terrible, deep-seated emptiness in their lives, and this socialist/materialist/elitist/hedonist/narcissist culture BECOMES their religion.

I.e. it is not that their beliefs systems have snapped shut like a box, but that "socialism" [or materialism, or elitism, or hedonism, or narcissism, or whatever you want to call it] is precisely their belief system, and they are committed to it with the same sort of religious fervor that the jihadists are committed to the Koran [and its unequivocal commandments to murder us, the infidels].

"Religious" peoples [read: classical "Protestants" - I don't know that I understand "Judaism" or "Catholicism" well enough to comment on them, although I fear that I do] don't suffer from this sort of investment in the here and now - rather, their hopes and dreams are invested in the hereafter, so if their candidate fails to become Ward Boss [and hence can't deliver the goods], then it's no big deal.

They just shrug their shoulders and get on with their lives.

93 posted on 09/26/2004 11:36:41 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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John Petitpierre Kerry, surrendering America's security for political gain.


94 posted on 09/26/2004 11:36:53 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Ramonan
If they want to spout their crap, O K, they have the First Amendment. BUT--do not ask me to pay for it, and do not ask me to pay to see, hear , or read writings, performances, or thoughts by these cretins.

The problem, though, is that you ARE paying for it.

Your Federal Income Tax goes to pay for the National Science Foundation, the National Institutes of Health, the National Humanities Institute, National Pubic Radio, The Corporation for Pubic Broadcasting, the Department of Education, and a whole host of other entities that fund our Marxist university system.

Your State Income Tax goes to pay for your state universities [and, often, under the table, to many of the so-called "private" universities in your state - our most prominent "private" university receives an annual subsidy from the state legislature] and of course your primary & secondary "education" [read: indoctrination] systems.

When you purchase Heinz ketchup, you're funding TehRAYzuh and all of her looney-tune marxist beneficiaries.

When you purchase Coca-Cola, Geico Insurance, The Washington Post, or a whole host of other products, you're funding Warren Buffet in his quest to murder every unborn child on the face of the earth.

When you purchase Apple computers or Oracle database software, you're funding Steve Jobs & Larry Ellison and whatever fascist candidate they're supporting these days.

When you pay to see almost any Hollywood movie, well, I don't need to say anymore on that subject.

It's sad, but these people are very powerful, and their stranglehold on our society is disturbingly endemic.

Trying to divorce yourself from them may prove to be nigh unto impossible. [Believe me, I've spent a lot of time thinking about it.]

95 posted on 09/26/2004 11:48:00 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: oldfart
What used to be called "Clinical Paranoia" is now called "Delusional Disorder." Per "Delusional Disorder, Paranoia and Related Illnesses," Alistair Munro, Cambridge University Press, 1999:

"In general terms, we can think of delusional disorder as having the following features:

(1) It is a primarily disorder, not secondary to another psychiatric condition...
(2) It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the patient clings with extraordinary tenacity.
(3) The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong.
(4) The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.
(5) The disorder is a monomania, with a predominant, persistent theme.
(6) Despite the monodelusional aspect, the content of the delusion varies from patient to patient, although a limited number of themes predominate.
(7) The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behaviour. If disturbed behaviour does occur it is directly related to the delusional beliefs.
(8) Many cases appear to arise in the setting of a markedly abnormal personality.
(9) Hallucinations may or may not be present (there has been some dispute about this but, as noted, DSMIV and ICD10 allow non-prominent hallucinations).
(10) The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to others, are non-significant are of enormous significance to him or her and the atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.

I think the diagnosis falls apart with socialists on #4 (obviously and ironically), #5 (the ones I know generally have other, healthy, interests), #6 (hatred of GW is too broad to be a delusional symptom), #7 (most everyone like that I know seem to be functional, #8 (some of them are very nice), #9 (I don't know or hang with anyone who really hallucinates, and #10 (they know full well a large part of their belief system is bogus).
96 posted on 09/26/2004 11:48:36 AM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: KJacob

Right.Anything said to this guy would be a lie in his eyes. There are none so blind,as those who are dumbassed liberals.


97 posted on 09/26/2004 11:51:12 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Kerry...Is so very.....REPULSIVE!)
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To: grey_whiskers
Is that a satire, or a real transcript?

Sorry, I made it up myself.

I didn't mean to trick anybody. I thought it would be pretty obvious it was satire.

98 posted on 09/26/2004 11:57:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

My 80-year old mother voted for Clinton twice, Dukakis, Carter, Mondale, Gore...

...but she is also a New York native...

...this year, she has a W'04 bumper sticker on her car.

...nuff said.


99 posted on 09/26/2004 11:58:48 AM PDT by Keith (JOHN KERRY...IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE III SECTION 3 OF THE US CONSTITUTION)
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To: Libertina
Hate to bring this up, but you're going to need new fishing buddies...

Actually it was a friend of a friend. Nice guy other than that incident. I wish it hadn't happened.

100 posted on 09/26/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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