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The Islamic States of America?
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 9/23/04 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 09/23/2004 2:51:20 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Gorzaloon
I have faith in The People. The difference between us and Europe is that we are armed.

Before they press home Sharia Law, they will be sure to gun control a priorty. It will be one of the ways they prove they are a religion of peace, by siding with the liberals on gun control. These people are not stupid, they are evil. Big difference.

121 posted on 09/23/2004 10:42:16 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Barney Gumble
The God in Christianity and the Allah of Islam are the same God.

Not in the least bit is this true. Mohammad made his ticket Taking Allah from a pile of Arab Gods and raising him up against the God of the Christians and the Jews. The description of Allah is the description of Satan in the Bible, not God. If I put a boat label on a motorcycle, would you try to ride it across the lake? All gods are not the same, some people worship trees, that does not make God into wood.

122 posted on 09/23/2004 10:45:28 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: kattracks

"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47: 4


123 posted on 09/23/2004 10:45:37 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Kornev
Let me clarify...Allah is "technically" or "theoreticaly" the same God. This is the line used by the CAIR Muslims types who want to portray Islam as normal as apple pie. So when Cat Stevens derides Christianity as having false gods, then he is ignorantly knocking his own, because "supposedly" they are one and the same.

Obviously this is not the same in practice. I'm sure in private GW Bush probably says "Jeez, I hate having to keep telling everyone that Islam is a religion of peace."

I find it so amusing that they gave Cat the boot. Then, he was whining on the Beeb about how everyone knows him and his activities to promote peace. Whatever mate.

125 posted on 09/24/2004 12:50:25 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (http://purveyors-of-truth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Salem

bump and thanks!


126 posted on 09/24/2004 1:38:45 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Another one says that Western secularism and materialism are evil...

Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Roy Moore agree...

127 posted on 09/24/2004 3:33:22 AM PDT by risk (The peace train is a hearse for western civilization.)
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To: nomad

Chechen leaders’ relatives say stop terrorism, punish massacre perpetrators
AsiaNews.it ^ | September 7, 2004 | Staff

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1211655/posts?page=19

Russian Muslims Rally Against Terror
IslamOnline.net ^ | Sept. 8, 2004

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1210981/posts?page=9





128 posted on 09/24/2004 7:07:58 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: Valin

No, more like:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)"


129 posted on 09/24/2004 7:16:15 AM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

My point is you can find pretty much anything you want in the Koran. What the radicals have done is emphasized those verses that tell them to kill (anyone who doesn't believe what they do...ie Algeria, Shites in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...etc. to the exclusion of any other verses.
It's like those Christians who take one or two verses from the Bible and make them the center of the faith, (I'm thinking of those who make Revelations the center of their faith).


130 posted on 09/24/2004 7:36:57 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: kattracks
Which evokes another question:

"Is there such a thing as a good cancer cell"??

131 posted on 09/24/2004 7:39:51 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: NYC GOP Chick

DOWNLOAD IT AND TEST YOUR FRIENDS!


132 posted on 09/24/2004 9:38:19 AM PDT by longfellow (You're either with US or from Hollywood! Ultimateamerican.com)
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To: Salem

Bump for later.


133 posted on 09/24/2004 10:57:58 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Valin

Believe me, I understand your point and agree that scripture can be twisted to fit an agenda or ideology. There is more to this, however, as it relates to the Quran, specifically the Mecca vs. Medina interpretations.

There is nothing in the New Testament that could be "mis-interpreted" as violent or as inciting violence.

There are no major conflicts in the world today that involve Christians or Jews, Hindus, Sikkhs, Buddhists,etc., who act violently and justify these actions based on their religious texts. However, there are over 10 major world conflicts that involve the followers of Islam. They are justifying their use of violence based on the Quran. I specifically mean the radical Islamists.


134 posted on 09/24/2004 1:55:45 PM PDT by milford421
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To: Valin
Oh, two little examples, and RUSSIANS no less. Could it be that they may just be afraid that Putin, former KGB operative, may be planning a Soviet style reprisal, gulags and all? GIVE ME A BREAK! What about WORLD ISLAM? Take your time, you may some day find something. Oh, and you muslim apologists will be sure to let me know when they actively join the war on terrorism, fighting troops and all.
135 posted on 09/24/2004 8:17:03 PM PDT by nomad
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To: milford421

There are no major conflicts in the world today that involve Christians or Jews, Hindus, Sikkhs, Buddhists,etc., who act violently and justify these actions based on their religious texts.

Today yes, but you don't have to go back all that far to find them. A Hindus/Sikkh war could happen (as an example)

"Quran, specifically the Mecca vs. Medina interpretations."

Given that I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree [feel free to disagree:-)] what do you mean?


136 posted on 09/24/2004 9:30:56 PM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: judywillow
I'd be in favor of banning the practice of Islam in America. Simply tell the people that they've got sixty days to find another religion, or another country.

Therein lies the conundrum. Couching it in "religious" terms conceals the political nature of Islam and its true face, while opposing it chips away at the most sacred pillar of our own culture and political system as well as that of most other Western countries: freedom of religion.

Most ignorant and naive well-meaning people among us can't entertain that contradiction. Who would have thought that an ignorant, illiterate thug 1400 years ago would invent the putrefaction that would bring down the culmination of the Greek democratic ideal not to be invented for centuries?

The first step (sooner or later) must be the official finding by the Federal government that Islam is not a religion as defined by the Constitution (clearly it is not). This would be followed by the immediate destruction of every mosque in the United States, followed by a period of at least four generations to allow Islam to reconstitute itself into a form similar to all other world religions, which universally respect and distance themselves from the secular and political political units we now define as States or Countries.
Without this explicit, clear, permanent and unambiguous separation, no present or future movement claiming to be a religion will ever be legal again in the United States of America.

The logic should be crystal clear. Any "religion" which claims our constitutional protection, while simultaneously seeking the destruction of every other religion, as well as the secular state which harbors it, will be subject to eternal and everlasting enmity with prejudice by our Republic. The rest of the world can go right ahead and commit suicide. We have taken Political Correctness to the brink. Let's make sure that when we step back that we remove the danger permanently.

137 posted on 09/24/2004 10:27:42 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: webstersII
Uhm. . last time I looked that would be unconstitutional. The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion and I'm not willing to give that up.

You sir, are an idiot and part of the problem.
When the Constitution becomes the enemies' greatest weapon, it is time to take a hard look at why we have a constitution. Is it the end in itself? or simply a means to prevent certain really bad things from happening. As someone smarter than both of us put it, it is not a suicide pact.

Accepting your simple minded logic, the original thugees could simply call themselves a religion, waltz into our country kill with reckless abandon and you would not lift a finger because it would be unconstitutional!

This insidious enemy has found a way around our Constitution, and I'll be damned if I will stand still until he has completely replaced it with shari'a.

138 posted on 09/24/2004 10:40:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: freedom44
I reject that attempt at disimulation in its entirety. Silence is the strongest and most insidious form of alliance.

I have no trouble seeing them all supporting the "few" extremists among them; all 200,000,000 of them...

139 posted on 09/24/2004 10:45:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: Gorzaloon

During WWII in Poland, after months and months of starvation a few Jews managed to get a few guns. They took a stand and decided to fight.

The Nazi's brutally put the "rebellion" down but it took months. Guns in the hands of civilians makes a tremendous difference.


140 posted on 09/24/2004 10:47:34 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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