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US expert sketches nightmare nuclear terrorist attack on major city
AFP ^ | Wed, Sep 22, 2004

Posted on 09/22/2004 10:06:51 AM PDT by Area Freeper

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To: Neocon Shavuz

Largest city in close proximity to Chechnya (2.3mm people).


61 posted on 09/22/2004 12:21:47 PM PDT by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Shryke
The population density of New York is much greater than that of Chernobyl.

Either way, a nuclear blast of any size would cause the relocation of millions.

62 posted on 09/22/2004 12:22:25 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: Doomonyou

That's a definite possiblity.


63 posted on 09/22/2004 12:23:27 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: mugs99

I think you'd see that here too.

A nuke would be the last straw for me to go hunting them down at their mosques. No doubt.

If a nuke wouldn't be the thing that pushes us to encamp Muslims for internment, if only for their safety, I don't know what would.


64 posted on 09/22/2004 12:27:27 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want)
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To: Shryke
That's a definite possiblity.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

65 posted on 09/22/2004 12:28:03 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: Doomonyou; Shryke

Their willingness to use passenger jets as weapons and shoot toddlers in the back says that it is inevitible.


66 posted on 09/22/2004 12:29:55 PM PDT by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: kimosabe31

RIGHT ON! You are spot on in your remarks. We have seasoned teachers and professors who are more concerned with multiculturalism than educating our children in math and science. Sure, they teach science, like how we are destroying the planet with gas engine emissions, and math is now taught with a calculator, kids can't even make change without assistance from a machine, no wonder that we have foreign educated folks in places that should be secured. X42 was more interested in multiculturalism and campaign cash from China than national security. Remember the security diskette, found after weeks of searching, behind a copier at Los Alamos? Yeah, sure, it was there all the time! The Clinton Administration and the MSM were more concerned about the Chinese scientist than getting to the bottom of national security breeches. Unbelievable!


67 posted on 09/22/2004 12:31:08 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier
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To: Area Freeper

Thank's for that cheery thought! And I suspect you are correct.


68 posted on 09/22/2004 12:33:16 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: RinaseaofDs
If a nuke wouldn't be the thing that pushes us to encamp Muslims for internment, if only for their safety, I don't know what would.

I believe "street justice" would be widely praticed against all muslims if our government officials would not initiate an internment on their own. Law enforcement would not be able to stop it IMHO.

A nuking of an American city would make real for all Americans the life or death situation islamic terrorism creates, more than 9/11 ever could. I'd like to think that most people, if put into a survival/"kill them before they kill us" scenario would react accordingly (and with justification)...and it won't be pretty at all. I'm sad to say, it may be the only thing that saves America.

69 posted on 09/22/2004 12:50:35 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Shryke
"This is just exaggerated BS. Unless the terrorist got a hold of a megaton-sized city-buster (I highly doubt they could build a thermnuclear fission weapon), the numbers would be far less than this. It would be awful, but not millions."

Having studied nuclear warfare while in the military, I'd easily agree with the millions estimate for the type device described.

70 posted on 09/22/2004 12:50:37 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Salgak
>>The bomb itself won't. The panic afterwards, the fights for food, water and shelter, the rioting might. . .
 

Ok Chicken Little,  how many megatons was Ivan  equivalent to?
 
We'll deal with it.  

71 posted on 09/22/2004 12:56:55 PM PDT by VxH (Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - Isa 28)
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To: backtothestreets

A ten kiloton weapon?


72 posted on 09/22/2004 12:57:15 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: Salgak
The bomb itself won't. The panic afterwards, the fights for food, water and shelter, the rioting might. . . NEVER forget second and third-order effects

I doubt if it would be any worse than a major hurricane.

73 posted on 09/22/2004 1:03:32 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Shryke
Not really. The blast itself not only turns a portion of the material into energy,

A trivial amount -- around 1%.

but basically throws the rest of it all over the place, as particles. This would definitely have an effect on the biosphere, but remember that the core of a fission weapon is rather small. It's not that much hazardous material, spread out over thousands (maybe millions) of square miles.

True, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that the energy from the blast itself, especially in a groundburst, converts a *huge* amount of surrounding material (dirt, stone, steel, etc.) into radiactive isotopes. The great majority of fallout comes not from the original core of the bomb itself, but from the secondary conversions. This is why groundbursts are much "dirtier", fallout-wise, than airbursts. They also stir up more of the irradiated material and send it up into the atmosphere, to fall... somewhere.

Although today, people would know to hop in their cars and get out from the probable path of fallout, unlike the unsuspecting Japanese in 1945.

74 posted on 09/22/2004 1:05:59 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: Area Freeper
San Diego Union Tribune

75 posted on 09/22/2004 1:09:51 PM PDT by DocRock (Why don't the RNC protesters come down here and help clean up after Charley and Frances?)
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To: Ichneumon

Ah. Ok. Let me pick your brain a bit? Discuss a ten kt fission weapon going off in Manhattan. Millions dead? Or, as I've said, tens of thousands?


76 posted on 09/22/2004 1:10:16 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: Shryke; Ichneumon

Manhattan Island is only 33 square miles. If there are 8mm people on the island during business hours, there are roughly 250,000 people per square mile.


77 posted on 09/22/2004 1:16:42 PM PDT by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Robe
One could trigger a nuclear event just by pushing two sub critical masses together...then boom

It is very difficult to create a nuclear explosion. The critical mass has to be assembled quickly. Historically, several criticality accidents have happened without much physical damage at all.

78 posted on 09/22/2004 1:16:42 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Area Freeper
Manhattan Island is only 33 square miles. If there are 8mm people on the island during business hours, there are roughly 250,000 people per square mile.

And that ignores the fact that there are large areas of Manhattan that are pretty much unpopulated. I suspect that the area around Times Square is closer to 1mm per square mile.

79 posted on 09/22/2004 1:18:18 PM PDT by Area Freeper (From John Kerry, they get a "yes/no/maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies)
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To: Area Freeper

If they screw up my property value, I'm gonna be PISSED!


80 posted on 09/22/2004 1:19:08 PM PDT by HTuttle
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