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CBS Evening News: Questions Linger Over Bush Memos
CBS News ^ | Sept. 13, 2004 | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Questions Linger Over Bush Memos

NEW YORK, Sept. 13, 2004
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For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

 

Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley  (Photo: CBS)


 

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Memorandum, May 4, 1972

Memo to File, May 19, 1972

Memorandum For Record,
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Memo to File, Aug. 18, 1973

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Also view documents released by the White House reflecting President Bush's National Guard service:

Memo from retired Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd on whether Mr. Bush satisfied Guard requirements

Personnel Card listing points Mr. Bush earned from May 1972 to May 1973

Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from October 1972 to May 1973

Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from May 1973 to July 1973

Pay Record listing days of service in 1972 and 1973, along with computer printouts of each quarter

Dental Record showing the results of a dental examination Mr. Bush had on Jan. 6, 1973.

 




 
(CBS/AP) Amid challenges from other news media, CBS News continued to defend itself over criticism stemming from documents it obtained that questioned President Bush's service in the Air National Guard.

CBS said it used several techniques to make sure the memos should be taken seriously, including talking to handwriting and document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

CBS said Monday it relied on an analysis of the contents of the documents themselves to determine their authenticity. The new papers are in line with what is known about the president's service assignments and dates, CBS said.

For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

CBS News said last week the memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard came from "solid sources."

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Mr. Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's record, and Mr. Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1½ years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

New York Times columnist William Safire wrote Monday that Newsweek magazine had apparently begun an external investigation: it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."

The L.A. Times reported that handwriting analyst, Marcel Matley, who CBS had claimed vouched for the authenticity of four memos, vouched for only one signature, and no scribbled initials. The Times reports he has no opinion about the typography of any of the supposed memos.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday segment — reported by Rather — on Mr. Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973.

Former colleagues of Killian disagreed Friday on the authenticity of the documents.

One, who appeared in the TV newsmagazine segment, said Friday he did not see anything in the memos that made him think they were forgeries. Robert Strong noted he's not a forensic expert and isn't vouching for the documents.

"I didn't see anything that was inconsistent with how we did business," Strong said in an interview. "It looked like the sort of thing that Jerry Killian would have done or said. He was a very professional guy."

Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents.

Retired Col. Maurice Udell, the unit's instructor pilot who helped train Mr. Bush, said Friday he thought the documents were fake.

"I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on 60 Minutes,"' Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

Killian's son also questioned some of the documents, saying his father would never write a memo like the "sugar coat" one.

Several of the document examiners said one clue that the documents may be forgeries was the presence of superscripts — in this case, a raised, smaller "th" in two references to Guard units.

CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, who reported the story for 60 Minutes, said typewriters were available in the early 1970s which were capable of printing superscripts. CBS pointed to other Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House that include an example of a raised "th" superscript.

That superscript, however, is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos. Document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., who examined the documents for the AP, said she was "virtually certain" they were generated by computer.

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bias; cbs; cbsnews; election2004; forgery; journalism; kenneth; killian; media; rather
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1 posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
See-BS News in now forced to report accounts of NY Times and Newsweek investigating their own shoddy reporting..LMAO!!

What a comedown for the Tiffany Network, all the way down to partisan hacks.

2 posted on 09/13/2004 4:18:26 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Voice of Dan Rather, music playing:

"Free Republic honors so-called, fallen heroes. CBS News was once a mighty news organization that has now become synonymous with Weekly World News."

3 posted on 09/13/2004 4:20:19 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So the CBS website is more suspicious of the documents than CBS News is?


4 posted on 09/13/2004 4:21:38 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: gopwinsin04
1. CBS is acting more like a political party than a news organization interested in whether they may have gotten it wrong.

2. No provenance, no sale. Damning documents but no originals and no history.

CBS is starting to smell as putrid as their story.

5 posted on 09/13/2004 4:22:39 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Mr. Blather also mentioned a "memo" acquired by USA Today that bolstered CBS's case. But it was too small to read and he did not read its contents.

I wonder if the same dem is shopping his forged documents to USA Today too?


6 posted on 09/13/2004 4:22:43 PM PDT by GreyFriar (3rd Armored Division -- Spearhead)
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To: sinkspur
Yeah, what gives with that? Has danrather approved that copy?
7 posted on 09/13/2004 4:22:47 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
So, is this from CBS, or AP?

Whoever it is, is attacking Rather's credibility in a gentle manner.

I'm amazed that they can't use a bit of judgement and just say THE D@MN THINGS ARE FAKE!

8 posted on 09/13/2004 4:22:51 PM PDT by narby (What's the provenance, Dan?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They're starting to crack. I still expect the house of cards to collapse tomorrow or Wednesday. They can't sustain the hoax in the face of opposition from other MSM.


9 posted on 09/13/2004 4:22:51 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: gopwinsin04
This was on CBS's website?!?!? Apparently, somebody didn't get the memo. And how about this?

CBS said it used several techniques to make sure the memos should be taken seriously, including talking to handwriting and document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

Should be taken seriously? Could have been created in the 1970's? Not exactly a ringing endorsement from CBS News about...CBS News.

This article is just plain weird given Mr. Rather's performance tonight.

10 posted on 09/13/2004 4:23:43 PM PDT by Pete
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To: gopwinsin04
This article is on the up and up... funny to see this when they just tried to deny every thing in this article on the show. I am thinking they are setting up two poor suckers to take the fall for them... saying we trusted these guys and they were wrong..

but then again.. hows come they still do if they are able to read this document they just released?

mmm..

11 posted on 09/13/2004 4:23:44 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight

Dan has just earned his forced retirement come next March, there is no way CBS can keep him on now..


12 posted on 09/13/2004 4:26:12 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: narby

It was taken directly from the CBS News website, credited to both CBS and AP, and appears to use clips/commentary directly from tonight's broadcast.


13 posted on 09/13/2004 4:27:07 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: atomic conspiracy
They're all toast...all of 'em.


14 posted on 09/13/2004 4:27:25 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: Pete
document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

WHAT document analyst said the could have been created in the 70's. I've only heard them quote the handwriting guy.

As for Strong, I think he's the perp who forged these, and they're relying on him to back them up. He's the only Kerry koolaid drinker who worked at the guard. He IS NOT a dis-interested expert.

15 posted on 09/13/2004 4:27:42 PM PDT by narby (What's the provenance, Dan?)
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To: Pete

Maybe someone should email the article to Danny Boy.


16 posted on 09/13/2004 4:28:09 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
WHERE DID THOSE MEMOS COME FROM? THE PHOTO CBSNEWS WILL NOT PUBLISH: DAN RATHER CAPTURED ON SURVEILLANCE VIDEO

17 posted on 09/13/2004 4:28:09 PM PDT by drpix
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To: Tom Bombadil

My guess is that a DNC staffer typed up the memo from some scribbled old military notebook, still a felony in Federal court!


18 posted on 09/13/2004 4:28:16 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: atomic conspiracy
Not gonna happen. There's only so much the other MSM will do against one of their own. See BS has trotted out enough experts to satisfy them.

Since the Kerry campaign woke from the dead on this issue, they now have other people's accusations to cover.
It's over, guys. Let's cherish the fact that Bush is 9 or so up in the polls, get back to our work in re-electing him, and wait for the next MSM coverup. Meantime, let's start introducing the voters to sKerry and Edwards' voting records.
19 posted on 09/13/2004 4:28:29 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
raised "th" superscript

Blatant lie... the "th" they're talking about was NOT "superscript", it was no higher than the other letters on the page. And it was in exactly the right position to be struck with a special "th" key made for a typewriter.

20 posted on 09/13/2004 4:28:45 PM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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