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CBS Evening News: Questions Linger Over Bush Memos
CBS News ^ | Sept. 13, 2004 | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer
For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

Gee, you mean the forgers actually made sure the dates correlated. This proves nothing. A major new organization should see the hole in this. The question is, is this document authentic? CBS did not answer that question.

41 posted on 09/13/2004 4:37:12 PM PDT by gogov
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Since this is from CBS's own website, they are distancing themselves from "reporter" Dan. He may be out sooner than later.


42 posted on 09/13/2004 4:37:19 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: GoBucks2002
Meantime, let's start introducing the voters to sKerry and Edwards' voting records.

My conspiracy theory is that CBS never believed this ANG story aired on 60-Min.2 had legs, but was put forward to distract attention away from Kerry and his record. The longer CBS and the other MSMs can keep Kerry's record away from people's consciousness, the longer they can keep Kerry competitive.

43 posted on 09/13/2004 4:38:37 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

Oh, well, that settles that inconsistancy!

44 posted on 09/13/2004 4:38:52 PM PDT by gogov
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To: ServesURight

lol


45 posted on 09/13/2004 4:40:26 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is more about principle and the MSM trying to swing an election. That is where the reporting should be... Why doesn't a credible news service confront CBS and Blather with the fact that they gave this report in hopes that it would damage the presidents standing in the polls. Once that is out in the public the legal proceedings can begin.

There can be no other Truth than the Truth.


46 posted on 09/13/2004 4:40:28 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Do not let the UN make decisions for the protection of the United States... VOTE for George W. Bush)
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To: Diago
Let's make this election a referendum about whether or not folks believe the documents are forgeries.

LOL...As I said in my post #43, anything to keep the voters' attention away from Kerry's record.

47 posted on 09/13/2004 4:41:05 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: MindBender26
As an old CBSer,...

Bernard, is that you?

48 posted on 09/13/2004 4:41:17 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: sinkspur
So the CBS website is more suspicious of the documents than CBS News is?

The website plays to the online audience. There are millions that do not get their news online. Just an attempt to regain some of their credibility.

49 posted on 09/13/2004 4:42:02 PM PDT by gogov
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We are all missing something here.

If Dan becomes THE man of the Left .. his audience will double.

Think about it.


50 posted on 09/13/2004 4:42:04 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

51 posted on 09/13/2004 4:44:57 PM PDT by Alouette (Dan Rather lied. CBS died.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Dan is either listening to the lawyers telling him to deny, deny ,deny or he really does believe his own bull. Either way his career is over and Sumner Redstone will be ushering him to the North 40 very soon.


52 posted on 09/13/2004 4:45:19 PM PDT by Mase (What's the frequency now Kenneth?)
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To: My2Cents
Dan must not be done building his retirement home yet:


53 posted on 09/13/2004 4:45:46 PM PDT by RobFromGa (A desperate man is a dangerous man, and Kerry is getting desperate.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Rowback begins.

CBS has not been idle all weekend. They have been talking to lawyers ("Can we get sued for this screwup?" and the answer is, not really) and to damage-control PR consultants.

Note that they still insist they have many experts, but they still keep their experts secret, an indication that they really don't have experts. An expert who authenticates a document is not a source. The experts themselves, if they exist, should be pleased to be associated with such a high-profile case, so if they are being kept secret it's CBS's doing (or, of course, there are no experts).

Note that they mischaracterize some of the negative testimony that they include here -- "Killian's son also questioned some of the documents...." He actually called them all forgeries. Likewise they fudge Manley's credentials: he's strictly a handwriting analyst, and they don't mention that he is an "expert for hire" that testifies as lawyers desire in cases, and they don't mention that in an article he wrote he insisted that you cannot authenticate a photocopy -- just what he's done here. I guess what he really meant was, you can't authenticate a photocopied signature unless the money is really good. The guy is a fraud. (Why is he in this case? From his mannerisms, my guess is that he's gay and part of all the pink anti-Bush hostility the fairies are experiencing right now).

As is usual with the MSM, what they leave out is more important than the pabulum that they pump in. They don't mention the blogosphere. They don't mention the last surviving Selectric Composer's inability to duplicate the memo, or the nightmarish gyrations the user had to go through to make it happen. They don't mention the almost $40,000 reward that is being offered to anyone who can duplicate the CBS forgeries on 1972 typewriters. They don't mention the other typographic peculiarities of the documents, like its use of True Type negative-offset letterspacing that would be invented almost 20 years later. They don't mention USA Today getting alternate versions of the documents! Why would there be several versions of a memo to file...?

And then, as support for their claim that the order to take a physical was not forged, they use the date -- which is the date Bush was suspended for not taking his birth month physical.

And this winner: "Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents." They don't mention that while: Killian's boss, his admin officer, his wife and his son have all called BS on these documents; the only one that vouches for them, Bob Strong, is a Democrat who at the time was a low-ranking sergeant who worked in a different building -- not the buddy-buddy of Killian that he and Rather portray.

CBS is trying to sneak its way out of this by pretending it is just learning these things were bogus... give me a break. They knew all along. Heck, they probably created the documents themselves. The originals are probably in The Dan's "My Documents" folder.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


54 posted on 09/13/2004 4:47:56 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Did the paper lie? I dunno, was there ink on the pages today?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
One more thing: Dan tonight made some big deal as to how the memos, in one place, supposedly used a lower case "L" in place of the numeral "1". Dan said "you can't do that on a computer."

Will someone please take Dan over to any computer with MS Word on it and show him how to do it.

Seriously, Dan is not a well man. He has had serious psychological challenges before and this is not wearing well on him.

The face you see on TV is far from the real "Dan Rather" face.

There is a filter in modern TV cameras that hides wrinkles. I'm not kidding. It's sort of a digital version of the "Vaseline on the lens" that older actresses used in early TV and movies.

I saw Dan in person not long ago. Passed him on a narrow hallway. He looked 30 years older than the last time I saw him, and 20 years older than he looks on camera. He also looked very tired, and very sad.

Time to move one, Dan.
55 posted on 09/13/2004 4:48:20 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: My2Cents

"Sitting in for Dan Rather tonight, Bat Boy."

Don't you DARE malign Bat Boy like that! He'd never work for an organization which hired Blather.


56 posted on 09/13/2004 4:49:22 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: tioga

NONE OF THIS WAS IN THE CBSNEWS STORY THAT AIRED TONIGHT!!! THEY REPORTED IT AS IF NOTHING COULD CONTRADICT THEIR CLAIMS, AND TOTALLY IGNORED THE EVIDENCE STACKED AGAINST THEM!

/sorry about the yelling


57 posted on 09/13/2004 4:50:33 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: muleskinner

No, but Bernie is a great man, a better reporter, and an even better writer.

Better than I ever was.


58 posted on 09/13/2004 4:51:06 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It looks like CBS is starting to buckle under the weight of the case against the forged documents. Almost all of this article, written by CBS News and posted to their own website cites much of the mounting evidence without any defense whatsoever against it. Their "sources" and "experts" seem to have run dry and they're just repeating the same pathetic indefensible case. So far their best defense is: "For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended." OK, so the forger made up a date that could fit into the timeline credibly. That proves nothing at all, it only removes this insignificant tidbit from being part of the myrid points of evidence of fraud. But it also was never cited as a point of contention. It also seems to be the only date that could fit in the timeline credibly. Still no answer for why a retired officer was cited in the memos. CBS's only other defense is to repeat once again that the documents came from "solid sources." Being that CBS itself is no longe a "solid source," they are going to have to back up this hollow claim with some names and phone numbers.



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59 posted on 09/13/2004 4:54:03 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Prost1

cbs doesn't have a license -- networks are not required to have them, because they are content providers, not broadcasters. which is why when the fcc fined cbs for the janet jackson stunt, they fined its owned and operated stations, not the network itself.


60 posted on 09/13/2004 4:58:34 PM PDT by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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