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CBS Evening News: Questions Linger Over Bush Memos
CBS News ^ | Sept. 13, 2004 | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Questions Linger Over Bush Memos

NEW YORK, Sept. 13, 2004
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For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

 

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Also view documents released by the White House reflecting President Bush's National Guard service:

Memo from retired Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd on whether Mr. Bush satisfied Guard requirements

Personnel Card listing points Mr. Bush earned from May 1972 to May 1973

Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from October 1972 to May 1973

Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from May 1973 to July 1973

Pay Record listing days of service in 1972 and 1973, along with computer printouts of each quarter

Dental Record showing the results of a dental examination Mr. Bush had on Jan. 6, 1973.

 




 
(CBS/AP) Amid challenges from other news media, CBS News continued to defend itself over criticism stemming from documents it obtained that questioned President Bush's service in the Air National Guard.

CBS said it used several techniques to make sure the memos should be taken seriously, including talking to handwriting and document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

CBS said Monday it relied on an analysis of the contents of the documents themselves to determine their authenticity. The new papers are in line with what is known about the president's service assignments and dates, CBS said.

For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

CBS News said last week the memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard came from "solid sources."

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Mr. Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's record, and Mr. Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1½ years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

New York Times columnist William Safire wrote Monday that Newsweek magazine had apparently begun an external investigation: it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."

The L.A. Times reported that handwriting analyst, Marcel Matley, who CBS had claimed vouched for the authenticity of four memos, vouched for only one signature, and no scribbled initials. The Times reports he has no opinion about the typography of any of the supposed memos.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday segment — reported by Rather — on Mr. Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973.

Former colleagues of Killian disagreed Friday on the authenticity of the documents.

One, who appeared in the TV newsmagazine segment, said Friday he did not see anything in the memos that made him think they were forgeries. Robert Strong noted he's not a forensic expert and isn't vouching for the documents.

"I didn't see anything that was inconsistent with how we did business," Strong said in an interview. "It looked like the sort of thing that Jerry Killian would have done or said. He was a very professional guy."

Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents.

Retired Col. Maurice Udell, the unit's instructor pilot who helped train Mr. Bush, said Friday he thought the documents were fake.

"I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on 60 Minutes,"' Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

Killian's son also questioned some of the documents, saying his father would never write a memo like the "sugar coat" one.

Several of the document examiners said one clue that the documents may be forgeries was the presence of superscripts — in this case, a raised, smaller "th" in two references to Guard units.

CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, who reported the story for 60 Minutes, said typewriters were available in the early 1970s which were capable of printing superscripts. CBS pointed to other Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House that include an example of a raised "th" superscript.

That superscript, however, is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos. Document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., who examined the documents for the AP, said she was "virtually certain" they were generated by computer.

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bias; cbs; cbsnews; election2004; forgery; journalism; kenneth; killian; media; rather
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

Gee, you mean the forgers actually made sure the dates correlated. This proves nothing. A major new organization should see the hole in this. The question is, is this document authentic? CBS did not answer that question.

41 posted on 09/13/2004 4:37:12 PM PDT by gogov
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Since this is from CBS's own website, they are distancing themselves from "reporter" Dan. He may be out sooner than later.


42 posted on 09/13/2004 4:37:19 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: GoBucks2002
Meantime, let's start introducing the voters to sKerry and Edwards' voting records.

My conspiracy theory is that CBS never believed this ANG story aired on 60-Min.2 had legs, but was put forward to distract attention away from Kerry and his record. The longer CBS and the other MSMs can keep Kerry's record away from people's consciousness, the longer they can keep Kerry competitive.

43 posted on 09/13/2004 4:38:37 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

Oh, well, that settles that inconsistancy!

44 posted on 09/13/2004 4:38:52 PM PDT by gogov
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To: ServesURight

lol


45 posted on 09/13/2004 4:40:26 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is more about principle and the MSM trying to swing an election. That is where the reporting should be... Why doesn't a credible news service confront CBS and Blather with the fact that they gave this report in hopes that it would damage the presidents standing in the polls. Once that is out in the public the legal proceedings can begin.

There can be no other Truth than the Truth.


46 posted on 09/13/2004 4:40:28 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Do not let the UN make decisions for the protection of the United States... VOTE for George W. Bush)
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To: Diago
Let's make this election a referendum about whether or not folks believe the documents are forgeries.

LOL...As I said in my post #43, anything to keep the voters' attention away from Kerry's record.

47 posted on 09/13/2004 4:41:05 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: MindBender26
As an old CBSer,...

Bernard, is that you?

48 posted on 09/13/2004 4:41:17 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: sinkspur
So the CBS website is more suspicious of the documents than CBS News is?

The website plays to the online audience. There are millions that do not get their news online. Just an attempt to regain some of their credibility.

49 posted on 09/13/2004 4:42:02 PM PDT by gogov
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We are all missing something here.

If Dan becomes THE man of the Left .. his audience will double.

Think about it.


50 posted on 09/13/2004 4:42:04 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

51 posted on 09/13/2004 4:44:57 PM PDT by Alouette (Dan Rather lied. CBS died.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Dan is either listening to the lawyers telling him to deny, deny ,deny or he really does believe his own bull. Either way his career is over and Sumner Redstone will be ushering him to the North 40 very soon.


52 posted on 09/13/2004 4:45:19 PM PDT by Mase (What's the frequency now Kenneth?)
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To: My2Cents
Dan must not be done building his retirement home yet:


53 posted on 09/13/2004 4:45:46 PM PDT by RobFromGa (A desperate man is a dangerous man, and Kerry is getting desperate.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Rowback begins.

CBS has not been idle all weekend. They have been talking to lawyers ("Can we get sued for this screwup?" and the answer is, not really) and to damage-control PR consultants.

Note that they still insist they have many experts, but they still keep their experts secret, an indication that they really don't have experts. An expert who authenticates a document is not a source. The experts themselves, if they exist, should be pleased to be associated with such a high-profile case, so if they are being kept secret it's CBS's doing (or, of course, there are no experts).

Note that they mischaracterize some of the negative testimony that they include here -- "Killian's son also questioned some of the documents...." He actually called them all forgeries. Likewise they fudge Manley's credentials: he's strictly a handwriting analyst, and they don't mention that he is an "expert for hire" that testifies as lawyers desire in cases, and they don't mention that in an article he wrote he insisted that you cannot authenticate a photocopy -- just what he's done here. I guess what he really meant was, you can't authenticate a photocopied signature unless the money is really good. The guy is a fraud. (Why is he in this case? From his mannerisms, my guess is that he's gay and part of all the pink anti-Bush hostility the fairies are experiencing right now).

As is usual with the MSM, what they leave out is more important than the pabulum that they pump in. They don't mention the blogosphere. They don't mention the last surviving Selectric Composer's inability to duplicate the memo, or the nightmarish gyrations the user had to go through to make it happen. They don't mention the almost $40,000 reward that is being offered to anyone who can duplicate the CBS forgeries on 1972 typewriters. They don't mention the other typographic peculiarities of the documents, like its use of True Type negative-offset letterspacing that would be invented almost 20 years later. They don't mention USA Today getting alternate versions of the documents! Why would there be several versions of a memo to file...?

And then, as support for their claim that the order to take a physical was not forged, they use the date -- which is the date Bush was suspended for not taking his birth month physical.

And this winner: "Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents." They don't mention that while: Killian's boss, his admin officer, his wife and his son have all called BS on these documents; the only one that vouches for them, Bob Strong, is a Democrat who at the time was a low-ranking sergeant who worked in a different building -- not the buddy-buddy of Killian that he and Rather portray.

CBS is trying to sneak its way out of this by pretending it is just learning these things were bogus... give me a break. They knew all along. Heck, they probably created the documents themselves. The originals are probably in The Dan's "My Documents" folder.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


54 posted on 09/13/2004 4:47:56 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Did the paper lie? I dunno, was there ink on the pages today?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
One more thing: Dan tonight made some big deal as to how the memos, in one place, supposedly used a lower case "L" in place of the numeral "1". Dan said "you can't do that on a computer."

Will someone please take Dan over to any computer with MS Word on it and show him how to do it.

Seriously, Dan is not a well man. He has had serious psychological challenges before and this is not wearing well on him.

The face you see on TV is far from the real "Dan Rather" face.

There is a filter in modern TV cameras that hides wrinkles. I'm not kidding. It's sort of a digital version of the "Vaseline on the lens" that older actresses used in early TV and movies.

I saw Dan in person not long ago. Passed him on a narrow hallway. He looked 30 years older than the last time I saw him, and 20 years older than he looks on camera. He also looked very tired, and very sad.

Time to move one, Dan.
55 posted on 09/13/2004 4:48:20 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: My2Cents

"Sitting in for Dan Rather tonight, Bat Boy."

Don't you DARE malign Bat Boy like that! He'd never work for an organization which hired Blather.


56 posted on 09/13/2004 4:49:22 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: tioga

NONE OF THIS WAS IN THE CBSNEWS STORY THAT AIRED TONIGHT!!! THEY REPORTED IT AS IF NOTHING COULD CONTRADICT THEIR CLAIMS, AND TOTALLY IGNORED THE EVIDENCE STACKED AGAINST THEM!

/sorry about the yelling


57 posted on 09/13/2004 4:50:33 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: muleskinner

No, but Bernie is a great man, a better reporter, and an even better writer.

Better than I ever was.


58 posted on 09/13/2004 4:51:06 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It looks like CBS is starting to buckle under the weight of the case against the forged documents. Almost all of this article, written by CBS News and posted to their own website cites much of the mounting evidence without any defense whatsoever against it. Their "sources" and "experts" seem to have run dry and they're just repeating the same pathetic indefensible case. So far their best defense is: "For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended." OK, so the forger made up a date that could fit into the timeline credibly. That proves nothing at all, it only removes this insignificant tidbit from being part of the myrid points of evidence of fraud. But it also was never cited as a point of contention. It also seems to be the only date that could fit in the timeline credibly. Still no answer for why a retired officer was cited in the memos. CBS's only other defense is to repeat once again that the documents came from "solid sources." Being that CBS itself is no longe a "solid source," they are going to have to back up this hollow claim with some names and phone numbers.



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59 posted on 09/13/2004 4:54:03 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Prost1

cbs doesn't have a license -- networks are not required to have them, because they are content providers, not broadcasters. which is why when the fcc fined cbs for the janet jackson stunt, they fined its owned and operated stations, not the network itself.


60 posted on 09/13/2004 4:58:34 PM PDT by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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