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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Nineteen
World Tribune ^

Posted on 09/11/2004 12:09:10 AM PDT by nwctwx


September 11, 2001
-Never Forget, Never Surrender-
Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat
Thread Nineteen : 9/11/04
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The Threat Matrix

The title refers to a daily report given to the president of the United States detailing the most serious terrorist threats against the country. To tackle those threats, the government has formed a top-notch task force to infiltrate the terror cells and cut off the danger.

"Every morning, the president receives a list of the top ten terrorist threats - this list is known as the threat matrix."

We here at FR are trying to be in conjunction with the daily reports around the world that involve threats. We try to provide a storehouse of information that takes hours of research.

You be the Judge and Get Informed!

Image Created by : TheCabal & JustPiper's Son

"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat."


Muslim group takes responsibility for 9-11: 'We are so sorry'
 

This September 11 marks the third unforgettable anniversary of the worst mass murder in American history.

After September 11, many in the Muslim world chose denial and hallucination rather than face up to the sad fact that Muslims perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist acts and that we have an enormous problem with extremism and support for terrorism. Many Muslims, including religious leaders, and "intellectuals" blamed 9-11 on a Jewish conspiracy and went as far as fabricating a tale that 4000 Jews did not show up for work in the World Trade Center on 9-11. Yet others blamed 9-11 on an American right wing conspiracy or the U.S. Government which allegedly wanted an excuse to invade Iraq and "steal" Iraqi oil.

 


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; september112001; terror; thirdanniversary; threat; threatmatrix
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To: Chani

to check the fun with arabic link later


2,481 posted on 09/28/2004 6:20:58 PM PDT by Chani
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To: brucecw

The tenth thickness of water is 4 feet for a 6Mev source.

In other words 4 foot of water will attenuate neutron / gamma radiation by 1/10th. If you a 1 million rem/hr source and dropped it into just 36 feet of water the radiation levels at the surface would be mere .1 mrem/hr.

In addition, a 1 million rem/hr source would be highly unstable if, as claimed, it was in a quantity as small as that of 'red mercury'.

Beside to have enough to 'destroy' the great lakes would require you to carry it around in a lead container the size of a small 2 story building due to the emitted radiation. Hardly a stealth weapon.

Looks like an Urban legend duck, quacks like an urban legend duck.


2,482 posted on 09/28/2004 6:44:33 PM PDT by 7mmMag@LeftCoast ("....to defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: texasbluebell
Therefore, peace will not return until we return to the Holy Land."

One beheading at a time.......until the Holy Land is theirs - no matter how many bodies or how many years it takes to achieve! The religion of peace seemingly cannot find contentedness and peace with what it already has and those who join it willingly. Most churches have head counts for attendance - this one (chillingly) has them for non-believers.

2,483 posted on 09/28/2004 6:46:45 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: jerseygirl

The military PC behavior you speak of has been with us though VietNam, The Gulf War and this one as well. Each of them with soldiers who are held back by orders they certainly question and are unable to change. I have the utmost respect for our military personnel protecting the WORLD (yes, the world) from terroriss, with their very lives while following the rules of engagement they are given. We all sleep more safely because of what they do!


2,484 posted on 09/28/2004 6:56:11 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Mossad1967
It's what they can't see that worries me.

Valid point!

2,485 posted on 09/28/2004 7:02:39 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: drymans wife; JustPiper; Honestly

"Where are they getting the date 10/12?"

Weren't they using car names for codes?


2,486 posted on 09/28/2004 7:17:17 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: All

I found this to be an interesting site.
Does anyone know anything about these guys?
Are they reputable?
I've never heard of them before.

http://www.acsa.net

ACSA predicts the details of 'likely' Terror Attack preceding the US Elections of 2004.

As indicated in its Advances Magazine, the ACSA (http://www.acsa.net) predicted on Friday September 24, 2004 what it felt were “very possible dates for Terror Attacks on Continental USA aimed specifically at altering the US Election outcome: October 6 and 7th, 2004” along with other such details. A spokesperson said ACSA expects 6 or more jetliner hijackings, ground bombings and poisonings may be launched in the days before and including October 6 and 7, initiated by a release of public information by Al Qaeda, possibly a tape authored by Bin Laden, that is yet to be aired by Al Jazeera: ‘a noted outlet for terrorist utilitarian messages’.

(PRWEB) September 25, 2004 - The ACSA’s “Thought Share on Terrorism” (TSoT) Team issued an elevated Terror Threat Alert to it’s 9.5 million regular and associate members today, after the study group issued a statement predicting an upcoming, election-shaking Terror Attack “with details”.

The ACSA (American Computer Scientists Association | http://acsa.net) indicated it felt October 6 and 7th were very likely “Al Qaeda Profiled” days for such an attack to occur. It also stated that any such attack could be delayed to occur closer to the actual US Elections, but for the Democratic Party to seize an opportunity to try and topple the Bush Campaign, it would probably require four weeks of concerted, coordinated efforts, for it to blame Bush for the anticipated attack sufficiently to muster support for it’s failing campaign, as indicated by recent drops in support for Kerry in the polls.

ACSA felt that Al Qaeda would more likely pull off an attack sooner, on October 6 or 7, so as to give Democratic Party hopefuls more time to realize and then take advantage of the opportunity. Apparently, Al Qaeda expects the Kerry campaign to then (after such an attack) focus its efforts to use such an attack and muster support against President Bush. ACSA stated it “half expected” Kerry’s campaign to appear to be trying to appease terrorist groups so as to appeal to fearfulness in the general population by suggesting attacks will be over ‘if only we treat the terrorists more sensitively…”.

The TSoT Team was careful to warn the public against assuming the threat was nonexistent.

“We believe that it is likely that October 6 and 7 best fit the kind of drama program the Al Qaedans like to use. For one, the 6th is the actual anniversary of the Palestinian takeover of the Cruise Liner Achille Lauro in 1985 (http://www.specialoperations.com/Images_Folder/library2/achille.html) in the Mediterranean, an incident which heralded the hijacking and highly public murder of a Jewish American man, a handicapped 69 year old individual, Leon Klinghoffer, who needed a wheelchair to get around. Klinghoffer, a resident of New York, was shot in his wheelchair during the hijack and thrown overboard by then Palestinian leader Mohammad Abbas' men."

"The 7th of October is the actual anniversary of the 1973 attack during Yom Kippur on Israel, and the actual anniversary of the United States – British combined operation to invade Afghanistan two to three years ago after 911.”

“We also feel that Al Qaeda resorts to more basic symbolism. Just as the term ‘911’ refers to ‘calling the emergency number’ in telephone communications terminology: 10-6 and 10-7 have distinct meaning to the ham radio and signal communications arena,” stated an ACSA TSoT Team Spokesperson.

“When speaking on radio frequencies, enthusiasts, military and other operators of communications equipment use so-called ’10-Codes’. 10-6 means ‘busy, stand by’. Perhaps such would suggest that if an attack were launched on 10-6-2004, the 10-6 activities by Al Qaeda might be aimed at ‘bystanders’. Such might include suicide bombings, and maritime assaults, even poisonings or anthrax-like attacks. These activities might also have the secondary effect of ‘busying out’ our homeland defense personnel."

"In communications, 10-7 means ‘out of service, off the air’, which in 'Al Qaeda' symbolism might be a euphemism for some kind of airborne attack, something like a 9/11 type of airliner attack. In other words: airliners are taken out of service and fell from the air into targets like the Pentagon and WTC” she added, “Our team is analyzing obtuse attributes of the Al Qaedans and other terrorists, fitting them to possible scenarios. This sad likelihood is what we’ve come up with. One way or another, some kind of global go-code will have to be issued before hand.”

“In further analysis, we ascertained that the likelihood of an attack, using a dirty bomb, or other weapon from a plane or truck, would be in the minds of the Terrorists best timed to do anything which might help the Democrats unseat President Bush, whose aggressive war on Terrorism is a threat to the Terrorists. ACSA believes they would believe they should time such an attack long enough in advance of the election to give left-wing press, the Democrats and Kerry chance to try and turn public opinion against the President, by causing him to be thought of as incompetent or negligent, despite the fact that there is not a very strong likelihood that a Terrorist attack could be easily interdicted by anyone.”

“Thirty (30) days in advance of the November 5th, 2004 elections is long enough, anything less would not give the suffering and pain stories enough time to sink in. If not given a whole month, the press could not, on the left, sustain wide enough coverage and opinion manipulation to try and trigger a backlash against President Bush. The Terrorists would want to leverage the rise of outrage, much as did Dan Rather, and Michael Moore, to try and leverage a temporary swing to the left in an effort to gain strong support for Kerry, even though all three were fraudulently based gains. Clearly, Al Qaeda has realized that Americans left of center inevitably tend to blame the President when something like this happens, and the press can expand that to a plurality for an opposing candidate like Kerry, for a limited period of time, using bias in the press coverage of the incidents to make it look like it’s the current administration’s fault.”

“One of our key thinkers has picked six possible jetliner targets: two universities, the Empire State Building or Citicorp Center, the Sears Tower, Los Angeles International Airport, and one of three targets in Washington: the White House, the Capitol Senate Office Building complex, or the Pentagon. Because President Bush is a graduate of Yale and Harvard, the Al Qaedans might hit out at those universities just to create animosity among alumni and students and faculty against the President.”

“We have considered the various likelihoods, and conclude and expect the entire thing, if it happens, to be preceded by deadly attacks on Israel, Iraq and the United Kingdom, possibly even an open attack on some facility near 10 Downing or Parliament. The dramatic effect of a crescendo of attacks, busying us all out and delivering death to many innocent bystanders, would likely catch us in motion to reinforce ground facilities just as the air attacks began on American cities by hijacked jetliners, a kind of one-two punch, with the dates picked not only for the anniversaries they represent, but for the significance of the 10-codes, and inevitably, some ancient legend that will surface and be equated to such a probable attack much as the 'Nostradamus' legend was played by Al Qaeda regarding the Twin Towers.”

“There are other significances of the sort the Al Qaedans might like to leverage. For example: the Normandy Invasion of Operation Overloard attacked five beaches simultaneously on the French Coast, while a sixth arm, a so-called ‘phantom army’ kept 19 divisions pinned down in Calais and Bologne for 19 weeks. Six primary points of attack, one at the place where they were expected to, was actually a shadow operation to keep the Germans busy from June 6 on in 1944, 40 years and 4 months earlier than October 6, 2004.”

”The date of the Yom Kippur War attack on Israel, in 1973, fell on this day of the year.”

”Anwar Al-Sadat, head of Egypt, was assassinated on this day of the year in 1981.”

“The French Tanker, Limburg, was attacked off the coast of Yemen by terrorists in 2002.”

“Hafez Al Assad, late president of Syria was born on this date in 1930.”

In elevating the ACSA Terror Threat Assessment Level for continental USA, to it’s highest level “5+”, ACSA has cautioned:

a) Personnel working in the aforementioned buildings and areas should be prepared to evacuate those facilities in an orderly fashion at the first sign of trouble. Remaining in a building attacked by a jetliner is not appropriate.

b) Workers in the Power Industry should be prepared for possible sabotage intended to trigger another major power outage which could be used to camouflage attacks on continental USA (Conus). Such included “First Energy in Ohio, a perennial possible weak point and source for a reverse surge loop around the Lake Erie Grid that could blind Chicago on the face of an attack on the Sears Tower, altogether, along with dozens of other states in Central, Eastern and North Eastern America, as happened a year ago.” And “Power Outages triggered by attacks on reactor piles in California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland and Virginia, which would cripple governmental response to attacks and which could lead to widespread chaos.”

c) Universities should be doubly careful as they are vulnerable as could be to the kind of attacks undertaken by remote control bombers on Hebrew University.

ACSA has asked the local emergency workers, representatives of DHS and the Justice Department to issue an elevated threat alert, accompanied with a message to the international investigators: “Given the rising use of portable memory devices and difficult to decode encryption tools, I would not hold my breath waiting around and expecting the Terrorists to be so sloppy again as to leave another computer technician with laptop, covered with prospective targets in it, around for anyone to read, they have already changed their tactics more than likely and there will no longer be decodable target information found on such computers if captured, unfortunately.”

ACSA asked for enhanced security measures around targets it had identified, and numerous others and indicated it had received “reasonable assurances that intelligence chatter had pretty much alerted the Authorities to the attack, and that such steps were already well underway, without much fanfare”, suggesting that the factor of ‘surprise’ had pretty much been eliminated in terms of it’s effectiveness with countering Homeland Defender’s mechanisms of defense.

ACSA indicated it hoped that as public awareness of the possible attack's details emerged beforehand, such might serve to strengthen America's defenses and serve as a powerful deterrent. It indicated it's TSoT Team was working around the clock, analyzing factual data to further refine it's publication of what it feels such an attack would 'take the form of, where and when.'

ACSA had originally organized a program, "Computer Companies United Against Terrorism" (http://www.ccuat.org) on 9/12/2001, in response to the 9/11 attacks. Subsequent studies and programs of public awareness and readiness on the subject emerged from volunteerism that arose in response to the renewed threat of Terror attacks on continental USA after 9/11.

ACSA, a membership oriented private research foundation, which maintains several 'Thought Sharing' Teams (which are analogous to Think Tanks) operates from simple office facilities provided at no charge by member organizations with extra space. It sustains its research on the volunteerism of it’s members, from a minimal budget. For more information, please contact the association or visit it’s website at http://www.acsa.net .





2,487 posted on 09/28/2004 7:31:43 PM PDT by Mossad1967
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To: jerseygirl
Hi JG - hoping you are back to walking without a problem since your accident a while back!

Eye for eye in Pakistan case (Muslim law)

Nightmare cruise on cusp of hurricane

Hybrid rats terrify residents of Kyrgyszstan

West Virginia has superbug resistant to some antibiotics and will not name counties where students have been exposed

Humorous Rules of Debate Engagement

Parents in one community petition to have voting machines removed from school to protect children from possible terrorism

Obama says US may target N-bombs if Musharraf is removed from power

2,488 posted on 09/28/2004 7:36:14 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: jerseygirl
we need to know that we are in a full-blown war- and not worry about PC or the "Arab Street".

Yup, we're in a R.L.W. That is a Real Live War, and we've gotta act like it. But this is a Shadow War as President Bush has stated, right after 911. It is not one that can be fought against the whole of the Arab world (just yet) with conventional armies. We need to unleash our Dogs of War so that are free to hunt and kill without mercy the terrorist curs wherever they reside, in any country without regard to national borders.

It brings to mind the kind of operation the Israelis used to be famous for, especially right after the 1972 Olympic fiasco. They hunted Black September without mercy. They even made a movie loosely based on the operation called Sword of Gideon with a young Steven Bauer. That's the kind of operation we need to be engaged in for the foreseeable future. In fact the WOT should actually drop off the radar screen altogether, except for mysterious obituaries reported in the world press. The second leg of the op can be the overt "Regime Changes" that must be undertaken in places like Iran, Syria and North Korea. And maybe....France? Canada perhaps?

2,489 posted on 09/28/2004 8:14:35 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast
Looks like an Urban legend duck, quacks like an urban legend duck.

... Which does not preclude the distinct possibility that an al Qaeda operative paid $500k per kilogram for something that was billed as being that deadly ... some of them have been shown to be rather credulous about such things: it's fairly well documented that some of their operatives were using articles from the Journal of Irreproduceable Results as if they were serious scientific papers.

For those not in the know, the Journal was published for a number of years as a parody of a real scientific journal ... some really hilarious "research" was reported, in all apparent seriousness but with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

2,490 posted on 09/28/2004 8:35:01 PM PDT by brucecw
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To: Mossad1967

The "About ACSA" page at the American Computer Scientists Association Inc. (ACSA) site seems legitimate. The article you posted describes some of the scenarios discussed here at TM. The multi-pronged attack is what we expect. Planning and organization to execute the attacks described in the article would require a high level of sophistication. The justification for the dates is well thought out and makes sense. I think it is a credible analysis. I agree that it's an interesting site. Thanks for sharing it.


2,491 posted on 09/28/2004 9:23:44 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: All

http://www.ds-osac.org/view.cfm?key=7E4351404A52&type=2B170C1E0A3A0F162820

Israel May Not Be Able to Destroy Nukes
from Associated Press on Tuesday, September 28, 2004
Article ID: D154297

By PETER ENAV

JERUSALEM - Israel would not be able to destroy Iran's nuclear installations with a single air strike as it did in Iraq in 1981 because they are scattered or hidden and intelligence is weak, Israeli and foreign analysts say.

Israeli leaders have implied they might use force against Iran if international diplomatic efforts or the threat of sanctions fail to stop Iran from producing nuclear weapons.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said this month Israel is "taking measures to defend itself"  a comment that raised concern Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike along the lines of its 1981 bombing of an unfinished Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak near Baghdad.

Speculation has also been fueled by recent Israeli weapons acquisitions, including bunker-buster bombs and long-range fighter-bombers.

Israel's national security adviser, Giora Eiland, was quoted Monday by the Maariv daily as saying Iran will reach the "point of no return" in its nuclear weapons program by November rather than next year as Israeli military officials said earlier. (snipped)


2,492 posted on 09/28/2004 9:30:42 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: JustPiper; All
Hamas in America
By Erick Stakelbeck
The New York Sun | September 28, 2004

Israel's assassination Monday of Hamas leader Khaled Abu Shamiyeh was a significant victory in the country's war against Palestinian terrorism. But it was by no means a decisive blow. Although Hamas has suffered numerous setbacks over the past several months - including the deaths of group kingpins Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz Rantisi - it continues to expand its operations on a global scale. And, contrary to the longtime press canard that Hamas "only" seeks the destruction of Israel, and bears no ill will toward America, America is anything but safe from the group's wrath.

Excerpted

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15248

2,493 posted on 09/28/2004 9:30:52 PM PDT by Oorang (I want to breathe the fresh air of freedom, at the dawn of every day, it's the American way.)
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To: JustPiper; All
The Chesler Wars Come to Duke
By Phyllis Chesler
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 28, 2004

President Richard Brodhead
Duke University
207 Allen Building
Box 9001
Durham, NC 27708-001

Dear President Brodhead:
Greetings!

I am writing to you as a member of Duke's extended family of scholars. As you may know, my archives reside at Duke University as part of a distinguished collection of feminist intellectuals and activists. Indeed, my archives were Duke's first major acquisition in this area. You have in your possession a treasure trove of my research, published and unpublished manuscripts, interviews, course curricula, and world wide civil rights activism from the early 1960s on. Duke acquired my papers in 1992 and I have continued to hand over materials ever since. Other important acquisitions that followed mine include those of Kate Millett, Alix Kates Shulman, Merle Hoffman, Robin Morgan, and others.

I am also one of 107 signatories to a letter recently sponsored by the Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies addressed to Secretary of State Colin Powell on behalf of the Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, (HR 4230), which would have the United States monitor and combat anti-Semitism world-wide. Other signatories include current and former Senators, Congressmen, Ambassadors, theologians, and educators including the Reverend Dr. Joseph Hough, Jr., President of the Union Theological Seminary, Dr. Harold W. Attridge, Dean of the Yale University Divinity School, Dr. Maxine Clarke Beach, Dean of the Drew University Theological School, Sister Rose Thering, author James Carroll, and R. James Woolsey, Jack Kemp, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Cynthia Ozick, Richard Perle, and Gary Wills.

I understand that Duke University will be hosting a Palestinian Solidarity Movement (PSM) conference. I also understand that you and certain faculty members believe that doing so constitutes your commitment to free speech and academic freedom. Ironically, Duke will be supporting a group (which is also known as the International Solidarity Movement), which does not believe in free speech or democracy and which endorses violence, mass murder, Jew-hatred, and homicidal-suicide terrorism.

Excerpted

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15279

2,494 posted on 09/28/2004 9:35:20 PM PDT by Oorang (I want to breathe the fresh air of freedom, at the dawn of every day, it's the American way.)
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To: Oorang

U.N. warns of nuclear cyber attack risk
from SecurityFocus on Tuesday, September 28, 2004
Article ID: D154272

The United Nations' nuclear watchdog agency warned Friday of growing concern about cyber attacks against nuclear facilities.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) announced in a statement that it was developing new guidelines aimed at combating the danger of computerized attacks by outside intruders or corrupt insiders. "For example, software operated control systems in a nuclear facility could be hacked or the software corrupted by staff with insider access," the group said.

The IAEA's new guidelines on "Security of Information Technology Related Equipment and Software Based Controls Against Malevolent Acts" are being finalized now, said the agency. The announcement came out of the agency's 48th annual general conference attended by 137 nations.

Last year the Slammer worm penetrated a private computer network at Ohio's idled Davis-Besse nuclear plant and disabled a safety monitoring system for nearly five hours. The worm entered the plant network through an interconnected contractor's network, bypassing Davis-Besse's firewall.

News of the Davis-Besse incident prompted Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA) last fall to call for U.S. regulators to establish cyber security requirements for the 103 nuclear reactors operating in the U.S., specifically requiring firewalls and up-to-date patching of security vulnerabilities. By that time the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) had already begun working on an official manual to guide plant operators in evaluating their cybersecurity posture.

But that document, finalized this month, "is not directive in nature," says Jim Davis, director of operations at the Nuclear Energy Institute, an industry association. "It does not establish a minimum level of security or anything like that. That isn't the purpose of the manual."

A related industry effort will establish management-level cyber security guidelines for plant operators, says Davis, who believes industry efforts are sufficient. "I think we are taking it seriously... and I think if the industry doesn't go far enough in this area we'll see more attention from regulators."

Neither the NRC manual nor the industry guidelines will be made public. (snipped)

http://www.ds-osac.org/view.cfm?key=7E4351404457&type=2B170C1E0A3A0F162820


2,495 posted on 09/28/2004 9:45:59 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Old Sarge; JohnathanRGalt; All

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2,496 posted on 09/28/2004 9:50:51 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: JustPiper; All
Welcome to Muslim Alert Network

http://www.icna.com/MAN/index.html

2,497 posted on 09/28/2004 9:52:35 PM PDT by Oorang (I want to breathe the fresh air of freedom, at the dawn of every day, it's the American way.)
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To: Oorang

FBI raids Pakistani colony in New York

NEW YORK: The FBI and US immigration officials have conducted a pre-dawn raid on several residents of Pakistani immigrants in Jersey City, a town close to New York, residents said on Tuesday. US federal agents started knocking at the doors of Pakistanis in the area which is officially named Jinnah Street and known as Pakistani Colony, they said. The agents woke the people up and went to their bedrooms to see if there were any suspects. They also checked their identification along with citizenship proof. There are three mosques in the area which are under strict surveillance after the September 11. Pakistani Americans have been living in the colony for more than 20 years. nni

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-9-2004_pg7_34


2,498 posted on 09/28/2004 10:16:52 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: ExSoldier
Fox: Commercial Pilots 'attacked' with laser
2,499 posted on 09/28/2004 10:25:08 PM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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