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HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS
Noted Now - ABC News The Note ^ | 09/11/04 | ABC News The Note

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:42:49 PM PDT by Ed Zoekuiper

Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbsnews; deceit; hoax; hodges; killian; lurchrathered; mediabias; morelies; napalminthemorning; ratherbiased; rathergate; selectricgate; tang
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To: hole_n_one
You still haven't explained how Killian's signature on the typed memo fits ....

Digitally scanned and copied to the transcriptions.

I've elaborated elsewhere on the thread how they can do a "bait and switch" con scheme with the handwritten documents.

381 posted on 09/10/2004 9:21:18 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: CobaltBlue
Oh, right. They're going to rest their case on documents which they can't produce, not on official letterhead, no signature, allegedly written by a man who's been dead for 20 years, about events which occured more than 30 years ago, with no corroborating witness?

Seems to me to be what they've tried to do so far....

382 posted on 09/10/2004 9:23:29 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Texasforever
What do they gain by "misdirection"?

See # 337

383 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:55 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: igoramus987

Whatever happened about the discovery that Col. Killian retired from the ANG 9 months before the letters were supposedly written by him? I don't remember where I saw that, but if it's true that ought to put the final kybosh on the affair.


384 posted on 09/10/2004 9:25:12 PM PDT by epow
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To: longshadow

>>Seems to me to be what they've tried to do so far....

While it's true that "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public," it's also true that "you can't fool all of the people all of the time."


385 posted on 09/10/2004 9:26:43 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: Congressman Billybob
The documents have been verified by Hans Blix McGoo! Watching the death of the Stone-age press.

Pray for W and Our Troops

386 posted on 09/10/2004 9:29:42 PM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have killing fields!!)
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To: Ed Zoekuiper

Holy Alternative Scenario! What if Killian really did author that stuff, but only in handwritten notes that someone, possibly family member or acquaintance, got hold of and passed to Ms Mapes, in the course of her 4-year quest to finally nail the illegitimate President. Mapes figured handwritten notes wouldn't work, so she or some youth with only the barest idea of military correspondence concocted the fakes on a computer.


387 posted on 09/10/2004 9:31:07 PM PDT by Original Kamaaina
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To: OSHA

How 'bout some Ranch-rageous Prinkles? *smack*


388 posted on 09/10/2004 9:31:13 PM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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To: longshadow
They are; they are copies of the original "transcriptions" which were presumeably provided by the source.

Like I said, I am half waiting for Rather to pull something out of his hat, or pants as the case may be, but I think this is a reach. First, in a professional environment, CBS would have had the same questions about authenticity that were expressed here within an hour of looking at those documents. If there were handwritten backups that eased their fears, they wouldn't have presented this as they did. Second, there are factual errors in those documents that have added to the opinion that they are forgeries, including a retired man's name (which couldn't be a typo).

389 posted on 09/10/2004 9:31:15 PM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: Mensius
Thank you! Something the RNC should make a point of sharing with the American people!

I am losing the curiouser and curiouser feeling about the memogate horror and shoving it into the blatant and crude attempt to destroy our Commander in Chief category by a major television network...at the same time...I am getting absolutely livid at the rest of the misconceptions and lies (like being a pilot in the guard is cowardly since we now know many DID go to VIETNAM, even if the danger of this job were not enough to discount the cowardly accusation) the DNC, in tandem with the major network TV news jerks, has laid upon our nation.

I am beginning, also, to understand exactly why our President walks so tall, speaks so directly, laughs with ease, loves our nation and stays the course, never losing his stride... and why he has surrounded himself with genuine experts in their fields, wisely choosing a staff not of YES MEN and WOMEN but of MEN and WOMEN who reflect himself, confident in themselves.

He knows who he is because he has walked the walk, is unafraid of risks, does not give a HOOT what these press jerks think because he does not respect them, and leads with that certain confidence that emboldens all of us.

390 posted on 09/10/2004 9:32:44 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: GOPcapitalist

I've been too busy to follow the details on this and have thus far only kept up with it through headlines and skimming articles. This is my first look at the evidence itself, and I'm sure this issue has been covered many times, but nothing about that looks like it came from a fricking typewriter! Not the font, not the horizontal proportionality, not the vertical spacing. Nothing. And it's pretty obvious at first GLANCE. What am I missing here?

MM


391 posted on 09/10/2004 9:34:49 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: hole_n_one
Why did Rather emphasize the superscript comparison between a Killian memo and another doc produced in the early 70's tonight when attempting to support his claim of authenticity if he's going to produced handwritten docs later?

Like the old barroom sign: "Free Beer. Tomorrow"

392 posted on 09/10/2004 9:36:09 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS is taking on water faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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To: Texasforever
and then produce the handwritten letters as proof of.........what?

That Bush lied, of course!

Logically, it makes no sense at all, but from a PR standpoint, it's brilliant: we will have shot our bolt attacking documents that ultimately aren't the ones they are relying upon. Any attempt to question the authenticity of THOSE handwritten documents will then be swept aside as the blatherings of a bunch of crazy internet goons and a few talk radio and cable news freaks.

And they don't have to prove their case; they only need to instill a sense of doubt about Bush's integrity and truthfulness for the pending smear attacks to work.

I know this is a long shot, but there are too many unusual circumstances that are seemingly coincidental to be overlooked (telling Hodges the documents were handwritten, Rather warning the public that they were focussing on the documents and not the content, the use of signature/handwriting expert by CBS instead of a document expert, showing the handwriting expert examining ONLY the signature, and not the whole document).

All I'm saying is there is a scenario they might try that might look something like I'm describing, and we ought to be prepared for such an eventuality.

And I'll be delighted if it turns out not to be true.

393 posted on 09/10/2004 9:36:27 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: ladyinred

All the Bush-bashing has hit critical mass.
And the sheeple are beginning to notice.
And the sheeple hate a bully.
They're starting to feel sorry for poor picked-on President Bush.



394 posted on 09/10/2004 9:39:08 PM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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To: sinkspur
Pulling that out of the hat now looks like a shell game, and CBS would look even slimier than it does now.

Only to people who think rationally, and that's not the intended audience. What they are doing (possibly) is creating a circumstance under which it will no longer be viable to question the authenticity of the handwritten docs, as perceived by irrational emotionally-driven idiots who get their news from Dan Rather and his ilk.

I hope I'm wrong about this, but I wouldn't put it past them to try it.

396 posted on 09/10/2004 9:41:25 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Conservababe
And Mr Cronkite has said a couple of days ago that he doesn't understand why the government does not outlaw these internet news sites that posts such untruths.

Buggy-whip manufacturers argued for outlawing the horseless carriage too.

397 posted on 09/10/2004 9:41:59 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS is taking on water faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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To: longshadow
As I said earlier. For them to type up a document and then place a dead man's signature on it goes beyond dirty politics it is committing a crime. That is why Rather has to stand by his story to the bitter end, someone committed a crime with these memos. There is NO upside for CBS in this story and they know it. Hell this stepped all over their real purpose and publications like the Boston Globe. This is a disaster for all of them.
398 posted on 09/10/2004 9:42:33 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: longshadow

There are no handwritten documents. You're just fantasizing about that.


399 posted on 09/10/2004 9:42:35 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: hole_n_one
I'm relishing every twist and turn!

Me too .. but I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the threads *L*

400 posted on 09/10/2004 9:43:28 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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