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THE CBS PAPERS (more damming evidence!)
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 09/10/04 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:56:35 AM PDT by TonyInOhio

THE CBS PAPERS [Jed Babbin]

I spoke to Col. Bill Campenni (USAF ret) earlier this morning. As I've written before, Campenni was a member of the President's squadron and flew with him often. Campenni told me that there are a whole slew of reasons -- beyond those being debated now -- to question the authenticity of the CBS papers:

1. The 4 May 1972 order and the 1 August 1972 memo both have a letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would be issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than the squadron. The letterhead is typed. They used printed ANG letterhead;

2. Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them). Campenni remembers that orders weren't issued as "memos" like the 4 May 72 document;

3. The Killian "CYA" memo of August 1973 refers to pressure by Gen. Standt. The problem with this is that Standt retired in 1972. Why would anyone be worried about pressure from him?

4. Jerry Killian, according to Campenni, never went near a typewriter. In the Air Force, in those days, notes -- if anyone kept them at all -- were handwritten. That raises questions about both the 19 May 72 and the 18 August 73 memos. And, lest we forget, bureaucrats -- not fighter jocks -- write "cya" memos.

5. Orders -- like the purported 4 May 72 order to take the flight physical - wouldn't normally have been signed by Killian. They would be signed by a senior sergeant "by order of" Killian.

If, as it appears, someone faked these papers they did a bad job of it. I can tell you that in the early to mid-1970's when I was on active duty, the active service didn't have anything fancier than the earliest models of the IBM Selectric typewriter, and many offices didn't even have those. The reserves and national guard had our cast-offs, so it's terribly unlikely they could have produced anything as fancy as these papers. (Is it just my imagination, or is Dan Rather's nose growing longer every day?)


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; campenni; cbsbull; cheney; documentforgerygate; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; itisspelleddamn; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; rather; ratherbiased; ratherforgerygate; rathergate; spellcheckisafriend
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To: TonyInOhio
Who could have produced such an amateurish smear?

Well, any of the liberals I have ever met!! they are by their political nature not too bright.

81 posted on 09/10/2004 8:58:55 AM PDT by My back yard (Post # 47 tags it)
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To: TonyInOhio
The dumbocrats and CBS have a problem with the truth.When they get past the hate they have for the republicans and Bush.Neither one has anything to talk about,the lies they tell keeps them going.
82 posted on 09/10/2004 9:00:21 AM PDT by solo gringo (Don't be a girlie man vote Bush/Cheney in/04)
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To: TonyInOhio

Who could have produced such an amateurish smear? I smell a Clintonista "helping out" the Kerry campaign. :)

83 posted on 09/10/2004 9:02:17 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: oblomov

The last 4 words of your post say it all !!!!

"he has no chance"


84 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:04 AM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: Grampa Dave; MizSterious; EdReform; RottiBiz; Mo1

Need to use this theory during the next FReepathon.....


85 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:16 AM PDT by Gabz (Hurricanes and Kerry/Edwards have 2 things in common - lots of wind and destruction.)
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To: The_Victor
I didn't see that one coming. LOL

Seems kinda personal doesn't it?

86 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:19 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: TonyInOhio

The butler did it.

87 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:29 AM PDT by Liz
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To: ZGuy
If the Kerry campaign can't even forge decent documents, how can we trust them to run the government?

LOL!!!

I think you've got a new tagline here.

88 posted on 09/10/2004 9:07:10 AM PDT by Auntie Mame ("Whether you think you can or think you can't -- you are right." Henry Ford)
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To: arkady_renko

Give me 30 seconds with that twerp and I'll show him a tune up job. He'd wish he'd never mentioned knee caps.

Mary Matilin ought to be fired and never allowed to work for Republicans as long as she sleeps with the enemy.
Face it, she is LIVING off of Democrat slime.


89 posted on 09/10/2004 9:07:28 AM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: Grampa Dave; MizSterious

It is not quite/yet fund raising time or Freepathon time.


T-minus 20 days and counting! Click here.

90 posted on 09/10/2004 9:07:30 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: rwfromkansas

Hmm called that number, guess what?

They don't want to talk to you. Haa haa


91 posted on 09/10/2004 9:10:19 AM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: TonyInOhio
Any minute now CBS will say "We haven't ruled out the possibility of time travel."
92 posted on 09/10/2004 9:13:54 AM PDT by Alouette (FONTGATE: The Media's New Clothes)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred; Grampa Dave; martin_fierro; mhking; onyx; Fracas; Libloather; Mudboy Slim; ...
Seen parked outside DNC headquarters.

"McAuliffe just OD'ed on purple kool-aid."

93 posted on 09/10/2004 9:18:18 AM PDT by Liz
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To: TonyInOhio

Whoever did this needs to be shipped off to siberia, or something like that...


94 posted on 09/10/2004 9:20:40 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: TonyInOhio
I smell a Clintonista "helping out" the Kerry campaign

Me, too.

95 posted on 09/10/2004 9:21:44 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: TonyInOhio

Has that dummy Sandy Berger been questioned?


96 posted on 09/10/2004 9:21:55 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Slicksadick; Brad Cloven

>>>>Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era.


I was just on a thread that was defining a Robert Strong and George Soros connection. I just went back to get the link for here; but the Mods pulled it.

Brad, why was the thread pulled? What was the URL for your source?


97 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:18 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: TonyInOhio
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Too amateurish for the Clintons.

My money is on Kerry. He has a history of leaking, coercion, and lying.

Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline.

Here is one of the articles I have linked, which says a lot of Kerry's character or lack thereof: Kerry's Disloyal Nicaraguan Journey
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98 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:28 AM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: TonyInOhio
I would add another to Col. Campenni's list. There is no TexANG after the rank. In my experience the source of an officer's commission always follows his/her rank in the signature block.
99 posted on 09/10/2004 9:25:20 AM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
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To: vrwc1

Another thought....it appears that the RATS have been exposed and discredited with their crude forgery of documents over the past few days. What now....will they try to produce better quality phony documents over the next few weeks as we move on to November????


100 posted on 09/10/2004 9:27:23 AM PDT by Guilliamus (No Tags)
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