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False Documentation? Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABC News ^ | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:34 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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George W. Bush sits in an F102 fighter jet while serving in the Texas Air National Guard in this undated photo. President Bush was in the National Guard from 1968-1973.
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False Documentation?
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABCNEWS.com

Sept. 9, 2004— Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.

"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."

First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.

Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.

"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity

Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter. The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.

More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available … indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"

Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:

   The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
   The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
   The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
   The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
   The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.



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KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; bushmemos; camejo; cbias; cbs; cheney; danblather; danny; documentforgerygate; dubya; edwards; election; forgeries; forgery; gwb; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; seebsnews; tang
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To: hispanarepublicana

Whoever created those documents is fried! Sizzling like bacon in a pan. Watch out Fort Marcy Park.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 7:50:57 PM PDT by pieces of time
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To: hispanarepublicana; VRWCTexan
From Pg. 31 of this pdf file.......

Pg. 33.......

From the Killian memo.....

Not even close.

Kudos to VRWCTexan

22 posted on 09/09/2004 7:50:58 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Jim Robinson

And now, Tom Harkin has come out, liar that HE is, accusing Bush of lying based on these "facts." When will he apologize. Nobody ever takes back their comments. It's a shame most people in the US have memories about as long as the life span of a fruit fly.


23 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:12 PM PDT by Lenmonster
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To: Don Munn

Bob Woodward, Carl Bernstein, call your office!


24 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: jhouston

As someone said, they are like chickens in a pen. When one goes down the rest will peck it to death. Ha! That's an image in my mind! Dan Rather being pecked to death by chickens!


25 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
RATHERLIES
26 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:41 PM PDT by timestax
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To: hispanarepublicana

We still need to hold the MSM's feet to the fire on this - notice the way they headline the story, etc., it is not made clear who faked the docs . . . the uninformed reader could wrongly assume that the Bush camp had faked something . . . we need to make it clear that it was RatherBS who faked the docs . . .


27 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:58 PM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: hole_n_one

The font on page 31 is also different as well.


28 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:20 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: jhouston
Post and ABC News are in bed with each other. CBS is in bed with Post-Newsweek's rival, the NYT. A decision may have been made to torpedo CBSNYT to undermine both their market share in TV and in print.

The NYT brand name has been aggressively marketed over the past ten years, at the expense of Post-Newsweek's market share. Expect PN and ABC to try and change this.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

29 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:49 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: pieces of time

Family members of other players jumping in. Doesn't look good for CBS at all.


30 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:54 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
If the Washington Post has picked it up, go find a fat lady so she can sing..

No, wait for the NY Times and call on Mrs. Edwards.

31 posted on 09/09/2004 7:53:10 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 2D Combined Action Group Viet Nam 70-71)
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To: Lenmonster

I think he's the one that screamed into a mic that Cheney was a "COWARD!" He'll never apologize. He's a slithering snake in the grass.


32 posted on 09/09/2004 7:53:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: hispanarepublicana
Big Ole Bump to the Top
 
Way to go FReepers!!!

33 posted on 09/09/2004 7:53:48 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (I'm mad as Zell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!)
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To: hole_n_one

Could you post a new thread with this info?

this ends the debate right here and now.

The first two docs are legit memos from this guy, the last is the CBS doc.

In addition to the type being something that was impossible according to the ABC experts, the signature is completely different and the font used is diff as well.


34 posted on 09/09/2004 7:53:53 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: hispanarepublicana

This is better than than Troy State beating #17 Mizzu of the Big 12 tonight.


35 posted on 09/09/2004 7:54:13 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: Lenmonster

Harkin should resign for his disgraceful conduct labeling the President a liar based on forged documents.

His very presence in the Senate creates a stench.


36 posted on 09/09/2004 7:54:26 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Don Munn
Forget Danny. He's toast. We need to get to the bottom of the question, who did the forgery? Be interesting to get Terry McAuliffe under oath and ask some pointed questions.

What do you know Terry, and when did you know it?

37 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:09 PM PDT by DManA
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To: hispanarepublicana

liberal media will eat their own for a story.

Kerry has the stink of a loser now. There's no point in solidarity for a losing cause.


38 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:15 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: hispanarepublicana
The White House is declining to comment on the veracity of the documents. Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November

Duh! Do ya think!!

39 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:18 PM PDT by SirChas (Come children, let us shut up the box and the puppets, for our play is played out.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
"Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television." "

"Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th.""

40 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:23 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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