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60 Minutes docs on Bush may be fake (UPI)
The Washington Times ^ | Sept 9, 2004

Posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by 11th_VA

Washington, DC, Sep. 9 (UPI) -- The Cybercast News Service reported Thursday documents casting doubt on the U.S. president's national guard service might be fakes.

CNS, an Internet-based news organization affiliated with a conservative media watchdog group, said the 32-year-old documents used by CBS to cast "a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program."

The news organization said three independent typography tests indicated "they were suspicious of the documents" because they used a modern Microsoft Word font feature that was not available in 1972 or 1973.

The documents were featured Wednesday on "60 Minutes II" and allegedly came from the personal files of former Bush squadron Cmdr. Jerry B. Killian, now dead.

CBS will not say how it obtained them. John Collins, the chief technology officer of Bitstream, Inc., cited the use of a superscript "th" in one document as a reason to be suspicious. "That would not be possible on a typewriter or even a word processor at that time," Collins said. "It is a very surprising thing to see a letter with that date (May 4, 1972) on it.

There's no question that that is surprising. Does that force you to conclude that it's a fake? No. But it certainly raises the eyebrows."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush2004; kerrylies; killian; rathergate; tang
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To: John Thornton

Check this out...the guy who supposedly pressured the dead guy retired before the memo was dated:'

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200409091911.asp


61 posted on 09/09/2004 6:32:22 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: rocklobster11

Now that memo looks real... I have no doubt about it... Somebody should get this memo to Fox News ASAP... because the only way you get fair and balanced is to go to FOX NEWS.


62 posted on 09/09/2004 6:32:49 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Do not let the UN make decisions for the protection of the United States... VOTE for George W. Bush)
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To: EagleUSA

Whoa there Eagle...that was one terrific post! Oh yeah. You nailed it.


63 posted on 09/09/2004 6:33:09 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: flevit
we know at least one of the alleged forged one matches up very well with a current "word" processing reproduction...I am currious on how a Known killian AUTHENTIC document would match up to a "word" processing reproduction.

Good point.

I have five boxes of papers from my Navy service, stretching back to OCS, my first active duty tours, and ten years in the Ready Reserve. I can produce fitness reports and evaluations I wrote, pay slips, nearly everything I signed as an officer, the whole nine yards.

If CBS was able to unearth a treasure trove of documents from this Lt. Col. that turned up the 2 or 3 on Bush, let's see the rest of the evidence. Let's see all of this dead officer's (deceased 1984) records, and see how many were written on $20,000 ($80,000 in today's dollars), state of the art, word-type-setting processors?

I'll bet you not another document from this man can be product by anyone, anywhere, unless it's in the USAF electronic archives. And certainly, nothing in this type of 2004 font.

SFS

64 posted on 09/09/2004 6:34:42 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone (SFS)
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To: rwt60

Somebody from this afternoon's board was looking into the zip code. I think they had emailed the postal service.


65 posted on 09/09/2004 6:34:50 PM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.)
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To: 11th_VA

http://www.selectric.org/selectric/index.html


66 posted on 09/09/2004 6:35:29 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: John Thornton

The military didn't even start using Word Star and Word Perfect until early 80's the only thing available to the military in 1972 was a typewriter or teletype and neither one can produce that font.


67 posted on 09/09/2004 6:35:38 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Do not let the UN make decisions for the protection of the United States... VOTE for George W. Bush)
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To: 11th_VA

This story is now doing more damage to the democrats and the left wing MSM, than they could have done to Bush, if it had been true.

Democrats around where I live all had long faces today.

Poetic justice!


68 posted on 09/09/2004 6:36:03 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: All

I checked on one memo: the August 1, 1972 called "Memorandum For Record".

Look at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust1.pdf

Look at pargraph #3 and lines two and three. I counted appox. 105 characters (even a double space after a period) on line two while line three had closer to 112 characters.

Impossible on a '70's typewriter. And all the blocks and centering are too perfect for a typewriter. Word uses the margins to proportion the type as needed and maintains space in numbering. Thus, the 1., 2., 3., is perfectly left-aligned. Again, I'm possible on a typewriter since that, even using the same width per character, a 1. or 2. just looked different. The left column is just too perfect to believe it was typed.


69 posted on 09/09/2004 6:36:14 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam? He doesn't seem to talk about that.)
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To: tonmo

LOL, love the little clippy thing icon!

Another example that the wittiest people in America are FReepers!


70 posted on 09/09/2004 6:36:54 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: MJY1288

71 posted on 09/09/2004 6:37:21 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And we hope they're not coming back!)
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To: flevit
Try this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211416/posts

72 posted on 09/09/2004 6:37:27 PM PDT by 11th_VA (While Kerry lied, good men died ...)
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To: counterpunch
Its not easy to get Dan Rather's attention unless you're "someone."

I think Rather has gone insane and every kook in the world is welcome at his home.

73 posted on 09/09/2004 6:37:44 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam? He doesn't seem to talk about that.)
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To: zip; BOBWADE

ping


74 posted on 09/09/2004 6:38:00 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: flevit
Has any one done a Word type up of a known authentic document from killian and "overlap" them, they way that littlegreenfootball.com did with the suspected forgeries????

YES. One of the panelists on Brit Hume's "Special Report" said he went into "WORD" and typed one of the documents, printed it, and it was an EXACT match to the "forged" CBS document.

75 posted on 09/09/2004 6:38:31 PM PDT by jonathonandjennifer
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To: MplsSteve

as i said on another post, af letterhead is printed in blue ink...you're right, a po box was never used....when i looked at the memos i knew immediately these things were bogus....my dad retired from the regular af, and i spent 19 years working for the af before transferring over to the navy (sad day), then heading over to dept of justice....anybody who spent time either in the af or working for the af can look at a supposed memo or letter on af letterhead and know what's real and what's not! i think it's time to plan kerry's funeral...and hopefully cbs's....


76 posted on 09/09/2004 6:39:49 PM PDT by BamaDi
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To: MJY1288

Now, THAT's a good metaphor. Tourist Guy was a nice touch, too.


77 posted on 09/09/2004 6:40:35 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: tirednvirginia

Son of dead colonel? What's that story?


78 posted on 09/09/2004 6:40:44 PM PDT by Virginia
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To: atomicpossum

> And now the wire services begin to report the story, it now gains a life of its own...

Run! Run my child, and be free! Run like the wind!

Rather's gotta be sweating big time now.

hehehehe


79 posted on 09/09/2004 6:41:48 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: jonathonandjennifer

rrrggg....no, I want an AUTHENTIC killian document not a FORGED one...to compare and contrast to how it overlaps with a word document..I know the FORGED one overlaps PERFECTLY with the word document.


80 posted on 09/09/2004 6:41:51 PM PDT by flevit
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