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Posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by 11th_VA
Washington, DC, Sep. 9 (UPI) -- The Cybercast News Service reported Thursday documents casting doubt on the U.S. president's national guard service might be fakes.
CNS, an Internet-based news organization affiliated with a conservative media watchdog group, said the 32-year-old documents used by CBS to cast "a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program."
The news organization said three independent typography tests indicated "they were suspicious of the documents" because they used a modern Microsoft Word font feature that was not available in 1972 or 1973.
The documents were featured Wednesday on "60 Minutes II" and allegedly came from the personal files of former Bush squadron Cmdr. Jerry B. Killian, now dead.
CBS will not say how it obtained them. John Collins, the chief technology officer of Bitstream, Inc., cited the use of a superscript "th" in one document as a reason to be suspicious. "That would not be possible on a typewriter or even a word processor at that time," Collins said. "It is a very surprising thing to see a letter with that date (May 4, 1972) on it.
There's no question that that is surprising. Does that force you to conclude that it's a fake? No. But it certainly raises the eyebrows."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Except for "did not exist at that time on ANY typewriter".
that doesn't look like an killian authentic document...I would like to see how times new romans matches(overlap) up to an REAL killian document to see if the match or morelikely mis-match?
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Please stop talking nonsense. Proportional IBM typewriters DID exist. There are plenty of reasons to doubt the authenticity of these documents, but that argument is not one of them. They were not common, it is true, and the spacing of the letters DOES raise a question given the relative scarcity of these type of machines, but it is not in and of itself PROOF. I believe them to be fraudulent for other reasons, but without expert examination of the originals and an understanding of comparable documents of the period, and of the provenance of the orginals throwing words like fake around is not smart.
I did, thanks! Feel free to share it and spread it around... I'm not photoshopper, just pulled it together in an inspired moment... all hail MS Paint :-D
Thanks...it'll be there.
I wish Sean would go ahead and mention the memos themselves-maybe he will soon...
Is that an accurate P.O. Box: 34567? Does the Zip Code match the post office site where Box 34567 would have been located in 1972 or 1973? Inquiring minds want to know.
But, my guess is that he saw nothing wrong with releasing the CBS memo's through the White House, if in fact the he knew they were fake. I was on active duty (Naval Reserver) from '80-85, and I knew the pieces didn't quite fit together when I first heard the story (i.e. not on military stationary, format seemed irregular, etc.), even if I wasn't aware of the font issues.
Crazy like a fox..maybe? Bush's team keeps silent, lets CBS run with it, lets the Democrat media blow it all up, and then....
This may be the best moment of the entire campaign. Kerry's just had his tail waxed by the Swifties.. his nose punched by Zell Miller, and he can't lay a glove on Bush. The the National Guard redoubt "occurs", Kerry's agents jump all over it, in effect stake the campaign's dwindling legitimacy on this, and ... "oh...oh!!!".
The stuff about W's Guard service is all a fake, just like John Flippin Kerry heroics are a fake! The whole Democrat party is a collection of liars, fakes, and traitors, and they have just buried themselves in the slime.
Sweet.. so sweet!
SFS
no no no you misunderstand me...I know that the "forged" ones match up to WORD...BUT how does a REAL killian match or hopefully mismatch???
Back in the old days you could manually shift up or down half a line to create a faux "superscript" or "subscript" but NO FREAKIN' WAY would that font be a size smaller than the rest of the text.
If what you have shown in your post is the docuument in question then the the relative youth of the forger is suggested by it.
I was 14 in 1972 and they had a few different fonts for official documents...VERY FEW and NOTHING as elegant as what our eyes are used to today.
There was a "computer" type that had a sort of high-tech look to it back then. Then there was the old ROYAL typwriter font which was a biggie. Then there was those IBM electrics with the flying ball supplanting the ROYAL.
Anyone alive then would doubt that "document" on the face of it.
bttt
bttt
is the bottom one a KILLIAN document, and can someone type up the exact wording the WHOLE document and then overlap???
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