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60 Minutes Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
CNS News ^ | September 9, 2004 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by Peach

Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:41 PM EST

By Melanie Hunter CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor September 09, 2004 02:34 pm

'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts. Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program. More to Come


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; allyourfakes; arebelongtous; bush; camejo; caught; cbs; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; fake; gwb; kerry; lies; malignantleftists; mediabias; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; ratherbiased; seebsnews; wrongfontwrongtime
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To: rocklobster11

Kerry will be niegotiating for a truce after he sees this memo. This is as series problem.


121 posted on 09/09/2004 12:12:03 PM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: 1L

What about corrections? Who could have typed something like this with no typos? When did correction tape and neater things than liquid paper come into being?


122 posted on 09/09/2004 12:12:31 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: Peach


Please stop fact-checking my @ss !!

123 posted on 09/09/2004 12:12:55 PM PDT by NewMediaFan
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To: NewMediaFan
60MINUTESLIES
124 posted on 09/09/2004 12:13:56 PM PDT by timestax
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To: intolerancewillNOTbetolerated

It's not ME; I just post the threads; the real brains out there rip them apart!


125 posted on 09/09/2004 12:15:56 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: NewMediaFan

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126 posted on 09/09/2004 12:16:40 PM PDT by force recon
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To: YanksGiants2000

And here....


127 posted on 09/09/2004 12:17:09 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: pnz1

I could be totally wrong or dreaming here, but I thought I read somewhere that Killian's widow had stuff she had given to CBS or someone in the media.

Anyone else hear that, or am I just hugely mistaken?


128 posted on 09/09/2004 12:17:32 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: force recon

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129 posted on 09/09/2004 12:18:16 PM PDT by force recon
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To: 1L
Not meaning to make this into a question of credibility, but I would like to, on this thread, separate speculation from fact as much as possible.

The Freepers who came up with this should ask the questions. This is a pile of unsupported evidence dropped on the public by CBS. Let them prove that the memos are genuine if they can.

130 posted on 09/09/2004 12:18:57 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Peach

I don't know if this has been posted, but if you retype the heading to the May 4 memo in Word (or equivilent), you get the same lineup -- the "B" in box is right under the "n" (second letter) in Interceptor.

I recall headaches in centering text when I was using manual typewriters to the extent that I didn't center things unless it was absolutely necessary. I just left them on the left side, heading style. A CYA memo wouldn't have needed to be this formal.


131 posted on 09/09/2004 12:19:59 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Peach; xzins
I'll put freeper research up against Old Media any day.

There's 50,000 people here working in concert and dedicated to digging up the truth. The MSM has maybe the same number of people working independently, but they are dedicated to obfuscation.

I think this story may have legs. We'll see. There's a lot to be suspicious of.

132 posted on 09/09/2004 12:21:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: mingusthecat

Nice. I was thinking the same thing.


133 posted on 09/09/2004 12:21:27 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: P-Marlowe

From another freeper who is in the military on another thread:

1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out.

2--no one issues an "order" through a "memo." Maybe a letter, but nothing as informal as a "memo."

3--the signature (initials) of Lt. Col. Killian is clearly a cut-and-paste job. The last letter ("K") is cut off at the top, where two lines start to curve toward each other in a loop. Impossible to to do by hand. This signature was cut from another document and pasted or taped on the document.

4--No letterhead. Do you really think commanders typed out a the squadron on every letter? No. Letterhead was used.

5--No way there were superscripts back then. No way. Even if it was theoretically possible (which it wasn't), the national guard isn't exactly an early-adopter of technology. This ability wasn't even available at any price for several years.


134 posted on 09/09/2004 12:22:18 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts.

I'm speechless.

CBS might have fallen for a prank. It reminds me of that guy who calls Dan Rather every time we have a national disaster and provides fake reports for Rather's consumption. Then after a few minutes, the producers start yelling on Rather's earpiece that the caller is a prankster.

135 posted on 09/09/2004 12:22:48 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Bush or Kerry You decide; Jim Robinson

FR is slowing some for me also. I'm not sure if that's on my end or FR's. If it's on FR's, would it be increased traffic due to this?


136 posted on 09/09/2004 12:23:21 PM PDT by mingusthecat (Mingus has again opined. Like any cat, she doesn't really care what YOU think.)
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To: 1L

Try this...
1. Take a page from a word Document.
2. Print it out at the "Normal" setting on your printer.
3. Crumple it up, and the straighten it out.
4. Run it through a FAX machine to make a copy.

Bingo- The text will look out of line, there will be artifacts, etc. all over the face of the document. If Dan Rather accepted these memos as legit without questioning their authenticity, he's stupid. If he accepted them knowing they were fakes, he's lying thriough his teeth.
(Hey, the "stupid or lying" line is what the Dims used on Reagan all the time- I think it's appropriate here!)

LC


137 posted on 09/09/2004 12:24:52 PM PDT by LoneConservative (Peace... Through SUPERIOR FIREPOWER!!!)
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To: 1L

Good catch!

And from another freeper:

1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out.

2--no one issues an "order" through a "memo." Maybe a letter, but nothing as informal as a "memo."

3--the signature (initials) of Lt. Col. Killian is clearly a cut-and-paste job. The last letter ("K") is cut off at the top, where two lines start to curve toward each other in a loop. Impossible to to do by hand. This signature was cut from another document and pasted or taped on the document.

4--No letterhead. Do you really think commanders typed out a the squadron on every letter? No. Letterhead was used.

5--No way there were superscripts back then. No way. Even if it was theoretically possible (which it wasn't), the national guard isn't exactly an early-adopter of technology. This ability wasn't even available at any price for several years.


138 posted on 09/09/2004 12:25:15 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Peach; xzins
I think this story may have legs. We'll see.

Everyone should e-mail complaints to 60 Minutes. At least make them sweat.

I e-mailed 60 Minutes AND Hannity.

Once it's on Drudge, people will be looking in to it.

139 posted on 09/09/2004 12:25:45 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: demlosers
No, I want to see him carrying all his stuff out of the building in boxes. Buh bye, Danny, I'd like to say.

Unless Rather confirmed the path those docs took on their way from Killian's files to Rather's eyeballs, he should be fired immediately.

You don't go to air with unconfirmed documents. That's Investigative Journalism 101.

Sheesh. What was he thinking? What's the frequency, Kenneth?

140 posted on 09/09/2004 12:25:50 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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