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John's Kerry's Military Service Record
E-Mail | Unknown | The Iceman

Posted on 09/05/2004 2:59:39 PM PDT by Keen-Minded

Gents...........

Sincere thanks to Chosin Few member Hector Cafferata, MOH, F/2/7 for forwarding the enlightening communication which follows.

If anyone still believes John Kerry is an honorable Navy Veteran, the following should remove any remaining doubt.

Thank God he did not attempt to enlist in our beloved Marine Corps.

SAEPE EXERTUS, SEMPER FIDELIS, FRATER INFINITAS

"Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever"

United States Marine Corps

The IceMan

howard mason

Even I'm getting tired of learning all of the rotten stuff about Kerry but it's best that we know. I pray that many Kerry supporters are beginning to understand why he would not serve the nation well.

John Kerry does not want his service record questioned. This is the reason why.

Subject: Hanoi John's Military Service On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive . On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. 3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam. 4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA. 5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath . to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs"


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A friend forwarded this message to me and I found it very interesting in light of John Kerry making his service record the center piece of his campaign. So..I'm passing it along for your information. I haven't seen the letter posted before and apologize in advance if it was posted previously.
1 posted on 09/05/2004 2:59:41 PM PDT by Keen-Minded
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To: Keen-Minded

BUMP!


2 posted on 09/05/2004 3:02:53 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.......John Kerry suffers from delusions of adequacy........)
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To: Keen-Minded

Is there any statue of limitations on bringing Kerry up on charges of sedition?


3 posted on 09/05/2004 3:06:11 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Do not let the UN make decisions for the protection of the United States... VOTE for George W. Bush)
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To: Keen-Minded

It has been posted, and several Freepers responded, saying that it is a red herring. Apparently, Vietnam veterans were not really expected to report for reserve duty. It would not have set well with them to have to stand in formations with, and take orders from, people who hadn't gone, and might not have to go.

Their advice was to drop this line of accusation.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 3:09:04 PM PDT by Rocky (Heinz Kerry: 57 positions on any issue)
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To: EggsAckley

Treason by a Naval officer in time of war is not considered serious for a democrat. Why such a fuss? :)


5 posted on 09/05/2004 3:10:41 PM PDT by Wardawg (Hanoi John was here.)
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To: Taxbilly

mark4later


6 posted on 09/05/2004 3:12:48 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: Keen-Minded

We know this, however the press does not care or do not know.

It doesn't matter if this information is true if it is buried where the majority of voters will never learn of it.

How can this man be the leader of our country??


7 posted on 09/05/2004 3:22:24 PM PDT by sissyjane (Does Rice show up on X-Rays??)
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To: Keen-Minded

Kerry's Reserve status -- Kerry's release from active duty orders state that he was transferred into the Inactive Reserves and was not obligated to attend any drills. His only obligation was to keep the Navy informed of his whereabouts since he was subject to recall. On 1 July 1972 Kerry was transferred into the Standby Reserve (Inactive) and then received his Honorable Discharge in 16 Feb 1978. The Navy's 24 May 1986 letter to Kerry gives a good synopsis of Kerry's service.

I can recall a similar timeframe for my naval career. I had served almost eight years, but it was years later until I was finally discharged. I had a regular commission, but I was transferred into the Naval Reserves (inactive) and then Standby Reserves. I can recall that I was sent some sort of letter asking me if I wished to continue my service in the Standby Reserves. In any event, I wouldn't make too much of Kerry's status as he moved through the Reserve process.

There are several issues that need to be raised relative to Kerry's Reserve status. Kerry met with the Vietnamese Communists in Paris, per his sworn testimony before the Senate, while still being a member of the Naval Reserves subject to recall. He returned and advocated acceptance of the Communists' negotiating points. Kerry also participated in the VVAW as a national officer and was involved in the infamous Kansas City meeting where discussions were held about assassinating USG officials. The question is whether Kerry was violating the UCMJ or federal statute by being involved in these activities while still serving in the Reserves and being subject to recall.

What I found curious on Kerry's initial website many months ago was the fact that he listed his military service as 1966-1970-Active Duty and 1972-78-Reserves. He conveniently left a gap between 1970-72, which I can only believe was done intentionally so as not to raise questions. Currently, his service timeline no longer includes his reserve service. Curiously, it ends with the following: April 29, 1970 Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service. John Kerry for President - John Kerry's Vietnam Service Timeline

I have no idea what listed as a Registrant means because Kerry remained a member of the inactive Reserves until he was transferred into the Standby Reserves on July 1, 1972. This could be a smokescreen to inoculate Kerry from charges that he was giving aid and comfort to the enemy while still being a member of the Reserves. We definitely need more information on this one.


8 posted on 09/05/2004 3:23:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Keen-Minded
Much more serious is the actions of Kerry and the VVAW which he was a national leader. Here are but a couple:

The records actually indicate that Kerry was with the VVAw long after he stated he had resigned. And while he was still a member/leader there were several plots that werre "Terrorist" in there very nature. Consider the following fromm the FBI files:

1. VVAW receiving funds from Communist Party USA. Nov. 1971 VVAW Meeting pg 194

2. VVAW taking directions from the North Vietnamese Communist Government. Directions from NV Communists

3. The FBI indicate that the VVAW has started increasing demonstrations “to protest escalation of bombing of North Vietnam,” VVAW demonstrations against bombing, pg 162
9 posted on 09/05/2004 3:26:17 PM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: Wardawg
Treason by a Naval officer in time of war is not considered serious for a democrat

Which begs the satirical question:

When does a Democrat consider treason to be serious?

10 posted on 09/05/2004 3:40:40 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Oh my, and they call me Slick Willie." Willie Brown (after meeting Bill Clinton))
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To: Keen-Minded

My question is this. The email states that Kerry got his discharge in 2001, but on his website there is an honorable discharge issued in 1978. February 16.

I find it interesting the the Presidential Unit Citation was on the DD215 from 2000 and wonder when it was actually awarded. There are too many documents missing from Kerry's record. He is obviously hiding a lot of stuff.


11 posted on 09/05/2004 3:45:17 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: stockpirate

What are the sources for communist funding of VVAW? Are they available on the internet? If so, please post url.

Thanks


12 posted on 09/05/2004 3:46:06 PM PDT by truecons
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To: Rocky
It has been posted, and several Freepers responded, saying that it is a red herring.

Do you have the aliases of these "several freepers"? Who were they?

13 posted on 09/05/2004 3:50:40 PM PDT by sevry
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To: Rocky

I don't think that is true, Rocky. My ex-husband was in the naval reserves and served a 1 yr tour of duty in Vietnam. He also went to reserve meetings until he was discharged. I think it was a 6 yr commitment.


14 posted on 09/05/2004 3:52:10 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: truecons
Yes they are. It is in several palces in the FBI files concerning the VVAW. I have posted some of the information before but here is a link. Starting at about 190 is the famous November 1971 meeting of the VVAW

VVAW receiving funds from Communist Party USA. Nov. 1971 VVAW Meeting pg 194
15 posted on 09/05/2004 3:54:46 PM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: Keen-Minded

I guess it is time to get my feet wet (lurked around here long enough).

found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Service_Record.pdf

This is the Enclosure (1) to some document that was dated January 25, 1985. It was written by LCDR D. W. Meyers, Office of Legal Counsel, Naval Military Personnel Command. It shows dates of different events.

Here's an excerpt from the .pdf file:

D.O.R as LT, USNR 1 January 1970
Release from ACDU/
Trf to Naval Reserve 3 January 1970
Trf to Standby Reserve - Inactive 1 July 1972
Discharged for U.S. Naval Reserve 16 February 1978




found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Request_For_History_of_Service.pdf

This is a letter dated 24 May 1986. This is almost a year and a half after the previous document.

Here's an excerpt of the .pdf file:

"Senator Kerry:

Your request of the 9th of May concerning documentation of your
Naval Service has been forwarded by the National Personnel
Records Center to this office for reply.

The follow (sic) statement of Naval Service accurately reflects the
documentation in your Naval Personnel Record:

..snip..

1 Jan 1970 Date of Rank as Lieutenant (O-3), United
States Naval Reserve

3 Jan 1970 Released from Active Duty, transferred to
the Naval Reserve (inactive)

1 Jul 1972 Transferred to the Standby Reserve (inactive)

16 Feb 1978 Honorably Discharged from the United States
Naval Reserve as a Lieutenant (O-3)

If additional copies of information is (sic) required from your
official Naval Records, please feel free to contact this office
or the National Personnel Records Center directly."

This letter is from the Naval Military Personnel Command Liaison Office of the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.

Note the difference on 3 Jan 1970 between the two. The second letter includes (inactive).

The second letter is not signed by R. J. Schultz, LCDR who is apparently the author. That is extremely odd. Things get signatures in the military in order to become official.

The first was an enclosure to something. Was it a reply to a request from the Senator to document his naval service? If so, why from the Office of Legal Counsel of Naval Military Personnel Command? That's an odd place to get that sort of information. Did Kerry wait over a year before going fishing to get someone to write what he wanted?

We'll never see him sign an SF 180. There are too many oddities in what he has already released.



Going back to that first listing of Kerry's dates done by the Office of
Legal Counsel, Naval Military Personnel Command. The Naval Military
Personnel Command's name was changed back to Bureau of Personnel (BUPERS) in
1991. They are now located in Millington, Tennessee.

BUPERS maintains a detachment in Washington with a specific liaison mission.

found at:
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/Instructions/545052.htm

..snip..

2
BUPERSINST 5450.52
28 Sep 99

Mission and Functions of the
Bureau of Naval Personnel (BUPERS) Washington Liaison
Detachment

MISSION. Acts as liaison between the Chief of Naval Personnel (CHNAVPERS)
and Bureau of Naval Personnel (BUPERS) departmental leadership
geographically located in Millington, Tennessee. Provides ready and
real-time staff support and advice to the Chief of Naval Personnel, as the
senior advisor to the Chief of Naval Operations for personnel matters.

FUNCTIONS.

..snip..

2. Advises CHNAVPERS and makes recommendations on legal matters.
Initiates, develops and evaluates proposed and enacted legislation for the
overall administration of Navy personnel. Monitors litigation against the
Navy involving personnel matters. Coordinates legal matters with Judge
Advocate General (JAG) and other offices.

..snip..




I don't know when BUPERS moved from Washington to Tennessee. BUPERS' legal
department would advise CHNAVPERS, though, no matter where they were
located.

It would make sense that the enclosure written in 1985 was part of a letter
going back to the Chief of Naval Personnel via the Washinton Liaison (or directly if that was before the Tennessee move).

The key question is, of course, is what caused the main letter to be written.
This is a real short line running from the Office of Legal Counsel, to the Chief of Naval
Personnel, to the Chief of Naval Operations (who is the guy in charge of the
Navy). That enclosure appears to be something within the description of
function 2. And that sure doesn't look like a routine personnel query (when
the Office of Legal Counsel has to answer).


16 posted on 09/05/2004 4:15:35 PM PDT by edfrank_1998
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To: tomnbeverly
Is there any statue of limitations on bringing Kerry up on charges of sedition?

Under the UCMJ - and Hanoi John is liable to it - there is no statute of limitations for any crime receiving the death penalty. These include Hanoi John’s sedition and treason.

17 posted on 09/05/2004 4:19:03 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: EggsAckley

Has the Navy issued a formal statement yet on Kerry?

They were investigating how he earned medals in record time.


18 posted on 09/05/2004 5:07:46 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Keen-Minded

Has anyone ever seen an SPN in any of his paperwork?


19 posted on 09/05/2004 6:49:36 PM PDT by Shellback Chuck (Olongapo hookers are more truthful than Kerry)
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To: Keen-Minded
The search engine works.

Kerry Service Record; Subject: Hanoi John's Military Service

20 posted on 09/05/2004 7:31:41 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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