Posted on 09/03/2004 11:21:10 AM PDT by blasater1960
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646 vicitms of terrorist act in Beslan hospitalized.
03.09.2004, 22.00
“The former hostages are receiving therapy in mobile hospitals and clinics of Beslan and Vladikavkaz,” the source said.
Some 130 wounded people, including children, are in the Vladikavkaz clinic. The republican clinic has 38 patients, including five children, with the severest wounds and traumas, and the children’s clinic of Vladikavkaz has admitted 186 children.
Eighty adults are receiving therapy in the airmobile hospital, 200 in the medical emergency clinic, 32 in the republican clinic, two in the military hospital of Vladikavkaz, and four in the first town hospital of Vladikavkaz.
The town hospital of Beslan has admitted 98 adults, two were sent to the defense ministry hospital in Vladikavkaz, and one is in the Ardon town hospital.
“The majority of patients have bullet wounds in the back,” the sources said.
The storming of the school, was not prepared, the Russian president’s adviser Aslambek Aslakhanov told reporters on Friday. “We were getting ready for dialogue in order to avoid spilling blood,” he said.
Aslakhanov arrived in Beslan by air to take part in negotiation with the hostage takers.
According to Aslakhanov, “ the terrorists demanded the withdrawal of the troops from Chechnya and the release of all the people who had been arrested for attacking the security agencies of Ingushetia on June 22.”
Aslakhanov said seven to 30 terrorists had been in the captured school. There were representatives of various ethnic groups in the gang. It was fully international, he said.
The number of those killed in the Beslan hostage crisis may by far exceed 150," Aslakhanov said.
Seventy-nine victims of the hostage crisis were identified by 9:15 p.m. Moscow time, head of the Federal Security Service’s North Ossetian department and the crisis center Valery Andreyev said.
“Unfortunately, the death rate is mounting,” he said adding that the operation against the terrorists is going on.
I wholely disagree. These monsters don't think like that. Since they have no respect for life and embrace death for it's promised paradise, killing their children, their families, or even nuking their cities will have little to no affect on the radicals. Although, it may force the moderates to rise up against them somewhat.
It is past time to use their own fanatical beliefs to put the fear of death in them. Some suggestions:
1. All killed Islmoscum terrorists are to be wrapped in pig skin or covered in pork blood before burial;
2. All captured Islmoscum are to be force fed pork and pork by-products and doused with pork blood daily, until execution;
3. All battles fought with Islmoscum should be with pork dipped munitions.
It's my understanding the English had much success with these tactics. Also, find other loopholes in the Koran and Hidith that will keep these martyrs out of paradise.
WE MUST MAKE THEM FEAR DEATH or we will never be rid of them!
Thank you - sadly it is the fact I get older that I see these truths. Sadly less people listen :)
Even in my own profession, software engineering, I still here phrases like, this is the ultimate solution. They said that about LISP in the 50s. :) Funny thing in a broad sense LISP is not much different than client side languages like Java. Run time compilation.
A new thing at my daughter's high school is a sign announcing that the school is gun-free zone.
The armed teachers debate is like the armed pilot debate.
Also, plain 'Muslim folk'are becoming infected with this virus of murder and hatred. This is the same belief system that allowed ordinary men and women (plain, ordinary folks) to gas six million jews and kill God knows how many more Europeans. Hey, the trains ran on time. You can not understand that it doesn't matter what Islam used to be...Now it is a murderous creed who's adherents shoot children in the back as well as burn babies alive.
No, I never have.
2. All captured Islmoscum are to be force fed pork and pork by-products and doused with pork blood daily, until execution;
3. All battles fought with Islmoscum should be with pork dipped munitions.
Might be a good time to invest in porkbelly futures!
Well, when this is over, Putin has many good options. Some involved being measured in megatons and kilitons, and invove isotopes of elements found in the periodic table. Some involved large squadrons of earthmoving machines. The result should be that in 30 years Russian children, safe in their schools, will ask their teachers "What WAS Chechnya?"
That is, like, just asking for trouble!
Is not that Putin didn't have any options, he didn't have time for options.
Had I had the time, I would have put in concentration camps 1000 muslimes for each hostage and let the whole world know that for each child killed a thousands of the muslimes would be killed. I would have also informed the world to mind their own business and not to mess in the internal affairs of Russia. Period.
Although the US is perhaps better trained and equipped to handle a situation like this (as you allude to), it all went south when the hostages tried to make a run for it and the terrorists started detonating bombs and opening fire on those fleeing.
This is the worst nightmare, and unfortunately, regardless of training or expertise, a situation that is uncontrollable. In a hostage situation, not all variables can be controlled, especially when the victims begin to flee.
Exactly!! You nailed it. Not much more to add.
Perhaps. There are lots of my kind around when the (ahem) big event happens.
Oh, I disagree.
I think it has everything to do with religion. This explains why the "peaceful" Muslems have NOTHING to say when these events occur.
They basically hate our guts, Jews and Gentiles alike.
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By Kim Murphy Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times
Zalina Dzandarova cradles her son Alan as he sleeps with his small face buried against her stomach. He is the child that Dzandarova was able to save, the child she chose to save. It is the other one, Alana, her 6-year-old daughter, whose image torments her: Alana clutching her hand, Alana crying and calling after her. Alana's sobs disappearing into the distance as Dzandarova walked out of Middle School No. 1 here Thursday clutching Alan in her arms.
It is the other one, Alana, her 6-year-old daughter, whose image torments her: Alana clutching her hand, Alana crying and calling after her. Alana's sobs disappearing into the distance as Dzandarova walked out of Middle School No. 1 here Thursday clutching Alan in her arms.
Guerrillas armed with automatic rifles and explosive belts who are holding hundreds of hostages at the small provincial school in southern Russia allowed 26 women and children to leave. About a dozen mothers, like Dzandarova, were allowed to take only one child and forced to leave another behind.
"I didn't want to make this choice," a stunned-looking Dzandarova, 27, said in the reception room of her father-in-law's comfortable house a few miles away from the school. "People say they are happy that my son and I are saved. But how can I be happy if my daughter's still inside there?"
The standoff involving about 17 guerrillas probably linked to the separatist republic of Chechnya (news - web sites) and other rebellious provinces stunned a nation seemingly accustomed to war and its horrors.
"They said they would let us go only after the [Russian] troops are withdrawn from Chechnya," said Dzandarova, who said the attackers identified themselves as Chechens. "I said we have nothing to do with that, but they wouldn't listen."
Her description provided one of the first accounts of happenings inside the school, where Dzandarova said that as many as 1,000 children and parents were sitting in a gym rigged with explosives.
"The director of the school was taken to a TV where they were saying there were 354 of us in here, and the director came back and she was in a state of shock, because there were in fact many more people there," she said. "There were definitely 1,000 people in that one room [the gym, where most of the hostages are being kept]. I saw it with my own eyes."
On Wednesday, Dzandarova was taking her daughter to the first day of 1st grade with 2-year-old Alan in tow. As the students and parents began lining up grade-by-grade, they saw the attackers sweeping into the school. Dzandarova and her children ran to hide in a classroom but were later rounded up with the other hostages into the school gym.
"Everyone was ordered to sit down, and they began to set up booby traps around the perimeter, right in front of our eyes. They had lots of guns and explosives with them."
At first, she said, everyone was allowed to drink water from the tap at the school. But the hostage takers soon cut off that privilege, she said, angered that local officials, including the presidents of North Ossetia and nearby Ingushetia, did not come to the school. Without water, the dry powdered milk the guerrillas supplied for the children had to be spooned into their mouths.
In just two days, she said, the problem has become acute. "You see, the kids won't survive these negotiations," she said.
Two women who had been wearing suicide belts apparently detonated them in an adjoining room Wednesday, Dzandarova said.
"They left the gym, and all of a sudden we heard two loud explosions. We thought the storming [by Russian police] had begun. But then they told us, `Our sisters have won a victory, and there's no other cause they want to pursue.'"
When Alan began to cry with hunger, Dzandarova was allowed to join several other mothers in an adjacent changing room, which had its own water and was several degrees cooler.
But after a former local political leader visited the school Thursday, the women who were living in the changing room were told there was "good news": they would be released.
"They said pack your things quickly and take your babies with you," Dzandarova said.
Dzandarova had Alan and Alana with her in the changing room and made a snap decision to pass Alana to her 16-year-old sister-in-law, who was also a hostage. But the guerrillas saw through the ruse and refused to allow her to take the older child.
"Alana was clinging to me and holding my hand firmly. But they separated us, and said, `You go with the boy. Your sister can stay here with her.' I cried. I begged them. Alana cried. The women around us wept. One of the Chechens said, `If you don't go now, you don't go at all. You stay here with your children ... and we will shoot all of you.'"
"I didn't have time to think what I was doing," she said. "I pressed Alan even stronger to myself and I went out, and I heard all the time how my daughter was crying and calling for me behind my back. I thought my heart would break into pieces there and then."
It is a nightmare. And you're right. Once the people decided to try to make a break, all hell broke loose, and there wasn't much anyone could do except react.
Many would have died of dehydration if this had gone on any longer. The hostages knew they had no other options.
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