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Complaints swirl over NYC holding area for arrested protesters
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 9/1/04 | Tom Hays - AP

Posted on 09/01/2004 4:26:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (AP) - To the protesters, it's Guantanamo on the Hudson. Police prefer the acronym PASS, though nobody gets one.

Either way, the dilapidated, hulking pier on the Hudson River in Manhattan has become a landmark of sorts in the clash between activists and authorities at the Republican National Convention.

Some protesters have complained bitterly about conditions at the temporary holding area set up at Pier 57 for processing convention-related arrests. One former detainee, Andrew Lynn, claimed he was held there for hours on end in "Guantanamo-style pens" - a reference to the U.S. military facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Police insist their Post Arrest Screening Site allows them to process mass arrests safely and promptly and avoid overwhelming neighborhood stationhouses.

Commissioner Raymond Kelly has dismissed complaints about conditions, including questions about asbestos. Testing Monday night found no problems with air quality, he said.

"There have been some exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods," Kelly said.

NYPD officials declined a second request to allow an Associated Press reporter to tour the site Wednesday, saying officers were too busy processing the nearly 1,000 people arrested the day before.

Among them was an AP photo messenger who was taken in along with a group of protesters when police broke up a demonstration that she and a colleague were covering.

Jeanette Warner was there for several hours. She said conditions were far from inhumane, although the facility was dirty and the experience exhausting.

"It was like a warehouse. It was the best they could do," Warner said. "You didn't want to sit on the floor, that's for sure."

Detainee JoAnn Wypijewski, a 48-year-old freelance magazine writer, said officers manning the makeshift lockup were polite.

"You get the feeling that they're being held prisoner too," Wypijewski said. "It's not a great working environment in there."

Sitting less than 20 blocks south of Madison Square Garden and extending hundreds of feet into the Hudson, Pier 57 once was a terminal for cruise ships. In the 1950s, the city erected a three-story, concrete garage for city buses.

The NYPD recently took over the garage, which closed last year. The department says it cleaned up a section of the interior and built a series of chain-link holding pens in preparation for the convention.

Officers search and interview the detainees at the pier before busing them to a booking facility in lower Manhattan, where they are either given tickets and released or held for a court appearance. Police say protesters typically wait about 90 minutes before being transferred.

While they wait, they are offered milk and sandwiches - bologna, cheese or peanut butter - and each detainee is handed a small paper cup which they can fill with water from coolers inside the pens, Warner said. They are allowed to use portable restrooms alongside the pens.

As they waited Tuesday night, some chanted "This is what a police state looks like," and one woman was put back in handcuffs after she rattled the chain-link fence and jumped against it. For the most part, however, detainees got along well with the officers posted there, Warner said.

Many of those arrested are veterans of other demonstrations where "few got arrested and most got away after breaking the law," Kelly said. "Here, they are being surprised by the fact that the opposite holds true: Most of the lawbreakers will be apprehended and only the law-abiding will get away."

At a news conference Tuesday outside the holding facility, Lynn, civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel and transportation union officials raised concerns about possible asbestos contamination and complained that people were being held too long.

Jay Bermudez, a former shop steward at the bus depot, said, "We've always had a problem here with safety issues." He claimed a fire in 1994 released asbestos into the air.

Lynn, who described himself as an independent videographer, said he was arrested last week at a bike ride protest and held at Pier 57 for 18 hours.

The protesters, Lynn added, were held 40 to a pen and forced to sleep on floors covered with motor oil. Police say they could sit on benches.

Conditions were "absolutely disgusting," Lynn said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arrested; complaints; democrats; democratsgonewild; holdingarea; kerry; kerrysupporters; lefties; nyc; protesters; swirl
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1 posted on 09/01/2004 4:26:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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2 posted on 09/01/2004 4:28:28 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .... http://www.freekerrybook.com/ ..... 'The New Soldier' in pdf format)
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Some protesters have complained bitterly about conditions at the temporary holding area...

Well. What do they expect from a hell-hole of a country like America?

3 posted on 09/01/2004 4:29:34 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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"There have been some exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods...

Exaggerated claims?

Outright falsehoods lies?

From the democrats?

Naawwwwwwwwww

4 posted on 09/01/2004 4:29:45 PM PDT by TomServo ("Meanwhile, the Midvale police visit his locker and find out why they call him 'Buzz'...")
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To: NormsRevenge

wahhhhh! wahhhhh!


5 posted on 09/01/2004 4:31:18 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: NormsRevenge
That's what you get you terrorist loving, intelligence lacking commie pricks! HA HA :-)

Yes I know, I can be evil.

6 posted on 09/01/2004 4:32:03 PM PDT by Angry Republican (Four more years!!!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Many of our forefathers died in prison ships anchored in the harbor of New York to create the freedoms these protestors misunderstand & misuse.

I have no room in my heart for these sad little whiners.


7 posted on 09/01/2004 4:32:41 PM PDT by GoLightly
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Why, my heart just bleeds for them..


NOT!!!!


8 posted on 09/01/2004 4:32:47 PM PDT by KylaStarr
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Put some panties on their heads and then we'll really hear 'em scream!


9 posted on 09/01/2004 4:32:48 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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They are Kerry Supporters not Protesters.


10 posted on 09/01/2004 4:33:02 PM PDT by Afronaut (Press two for English.)
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"There have been some exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods," Kelly said.

Proof of DNC involvement.

11 posted on 09/01/2004 4:33:47 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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"It was terrible. They hurt my arm and doo-doo feces everywhere!"

12 posted on 09/01/2004 4:33:55 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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Then put supporters on their heads.


13 posted on 09/01/2004 4:34:22 PM PDT by beethovenfan
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Good. The more miserable these anarchist scumbags are the better. I hope they are all terribly uncomfortable. Hope they have nightmares for years to come.

LBT

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14 posted on 09/01/2004 4:34:45 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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There have been some exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods," Kelly said.

Uh oh. Guys who use the word "falsehood" instead of the much more succinct and accurate word, "lie", make me nervous.

15 posted on 09/01/2004 4:36:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge

As I was once told, do you think this is the Holiday Inn ?


16 posted on 09/01/2004 4:38:00 PM PDT by John Lenin
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"each detainee is handed a small paper cup which they can fill with water from coolers inside the pens..."

Privatized water alert!

17 posted on 09/01/2004 4:38:26 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: GoLightly
GoLightly...thank you for pointing that out. I'd forgotten about the horrific British "hulks" used to imprison Americans in NYC during the Revolutionary War. Here are some excellent excerpts from Long Island Geneology. This certainly does put today's treatment of the protesters in perspective.

In August 1997 a memorial service was held at Fort Greene Park in Brooklyn, near the Brooklyn Navy Yard, rededicating a monument to the men interred in a vault that lies below it. The monument itself is an impressive tower that stands high above the park with a lighthouse-like beacon on top. The original light was extinguished during World War II as a wartime security measure, and it would not be relit until last Saturday when a new solar-powered eternal beacon was turned on as part of the ceremony. The intention is for the light to shine forever as a symbol that, as the monument's motto promises, "They Shall Not Be Forgotten."

The men honored by the memorial and who lie beneath it are victims of one of the most terrifying acts of inhumanity to have occurred in America. They are the merchant seamen and privateers who served valiantly on the side of the colonials in the Revolution and who died under barbaric circumstances. All were crew members of the thousands of merchant ships which sailed as privateers from the ports of the American colonies to attack and seize British ships. Privately owned and privately armed, these merchant ships made an invaluable contribution to the victory of the colonists in the War of Independence. Their crews were the predecessors of the heroic members of the Merchant Marine who would fight for the United States in future wars.

The privateers carried the newly-created American flag to all the ports of the world, attacking and capturing thousands of His Majesty's vessels whose cargoes were then sold to support the colonial militias in their battle against the British.

Fewer than half of the privateers would survive and return home. Thousands of their courageous seamen were captured by the British and offered their choice of joining the British Navy in the war or going to prison. The overwhelming majority chose to go to jail rather than turn against their friends, families and new nation.

Pitifully few of the captured American seamen survived the conditions of their imprisonment aboard the royal jail vessels which were moored along the Brooklyn waterfront.

In 1780 the British had anchored a flotilla of 12 former men-of-war and hospital ships in Brooklyn's Wallabout Bay. Crowded together in the most unsanitary circumstances, prisoners were given little food, no medical attention and a great deal of abuse and neglect, all as an incentive for them to change their minds and join the King's Navy. Aboard the filthy ships, disease was rampant. The corpses of those who died on the prison vessels in New York Harbor - a total of between 11,500 and 12,500 men - were either rowed to shore and placed in shallow graves or unceremoniously tossed overboard by their British captors.

The worst of these prison ships was the H. M. S. Jersey, a decommissioned warship, on which 1,100 men were crowded together between decks. About a dozen prisoners died each night aboard the Jersey from dysentery, typhoid, smallpox, yellow fever, food poisoning, starvation and torture. When the war ended in 1783, aboard the entire prison fleet there were only 1,400 survivors, all of them ill and emaciated.

After the Revolution ended, the newly-formed U.S. Navy occupied the Brooklyn Navy Yard site on Wallabout Bay. When the Navy began expanding the yard, the remains of thousands of these sailors were found in the muddy bottom as the bay was dredged to build new drydocks. In 1808, as much of the remains as possible were dug up and reburied on the grounds of the nearby John Jackson estate.

18 posted on 09/01/2004 4:39:22 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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I think Rove needs to resign over this....

LVM

19 posted on 09/01/2004 4:42:44 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Quick, vote for The French One, before he changes his mind and votes for GWB.)
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One former detainee, Andrew Lynn, claimed he was held there for hours on end in "Guantanamo-style pens"

Shut up.

20 posted on 09/01/2004 4:45:04 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (If only hamsters could talk...THEY'D tell you the truth that Upland IS in Pennsylvania!)
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