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Bait and Switch possible?

Posted on 09/01/2004 3:26:02 PM PDT by PlushieWithTeeth

Question: What are the rules for switching out a candidate for the office of the United States President? As in, is it possible to switch out another candidate when it's apparent the current one is losing badly? What are the deadlines for doing something like this? Any help on this would be very much appreciated :)


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: candidate; change; election; tinfoil
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
So, the Dems could switch out Hillary for Kerry at any time? His campaign seems to be in a avalanche-type mudslide lately. How would this affect overseas voters?

Electors aren't bound to vote for the candidate who won their state. So yes, Kerry could drop out two weeks from now, and Hillary could step in, and whether she got on the ballots or not the Kerry electors could just choose Hillary.

That being said, a replacement candidate would never pull off a win. Too many people would be confused, angry about it, or just plain apathetic.
21 posted on 09/01/2004 3:37:23 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (There is no safety for honest men but by believing all possible evil of evil men. --Burke)
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To: Glenn
The question is a legitimate question. NJ got screwed over last time or has everyone forgotten? Do we want to see the same thing happen at the national level?
22 posted on 09/01/2004 3:37:55 PM PDT by UpInArms (Benedict Arnold was a war hero too.)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
May it easy on yourself!:


23 posted on 09/01/2004 3:39:18 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: swilhelm73

Speaking of deadlines for getting on the ballot, will W be on the Alabama, California, and (I think one more) state ballots? The last I knew the convention was so late that the deadline had passed.


24 posted on 09/01/2004 3:39:37 PM PDT by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
The problem will be to get him/her on the ballot in the various states so the new candidate would have a fighting chance at getting enough electorial votes.

So who you want to replace Kerry? Hillary, Gore, Liberman, Edwards?

25 posted on 09/01/2004 3:40:45 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: UpInArms
The question is a legitimate question.

No it isn't. It's ridiculous. Something a fool might ponder.

26 posted on 09/01/2004 3:40:49 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
I think it's a legitimate question seeing how fast Kerry is falling and it's quite apparent that there is no rule a Dem won't bend or break.

How silly. Both parties depend on a reasonable vote. Your suggestion is not reasonable.

27 posted on 09/01/2004 3:42:20 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth

There would be a deadline to have your candidate's name printed on the ballot and requirements to meet beforehand. Write-ins would be possible anytime.


28 posted on 09/01/2004 3:43:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
There are no restrictions at all.

Not true. Lots of states have deadlines for submitting a party's candidate for the state's ballot. In fact, due to the lateness of the Republican convention this year (an artifact of Olympic scheduling), a few states had to pass special bills to extend the deadline.

I know that California and Illinois both passed legislation allowing parties to submit their candidates close to the election than normally permitted. This means the DemocRATS could be in serious trouble if they tried to switch candidates for trivial reasons(anything less than major illness or death of a candidate). I would imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger would veto a bill allowing if the legislature passed one. There's no way the DemocRATS could force the states to change their ballots on short notice.

29 posted on 09/01/2004 3:44:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Robert357

Personally, I don't want anyone to replace him. The man is a joke and provides me with hours of giggles reading over the witty Freeper comments regarding his various tall tales. When I'm not outraged at his audacity, I'm amused by his delusions of grandeur.


30 posted on 09/01/2004 3:45:28 PM PDT by PlushieWithTeeth
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To: swilhelm73
Electors aren't bound to vote for the candidate who won their state.

Not by federal law. But some states do require their electors to vote for the candidate that they were selected to vote for. On the first ballot, anyway.

Enough that simply having all the Rat electors switch isn't a winning option.

And replacing a name on the ballot is something that cannot be done in all states legally or extra-legally.

IMO, the Toricelli option ended when Kerry threw that sloppy salute in Boston the other week.

Still, if Bush carries 40+ states, it won't matter what sort of nonsense the Dems try.

If it's not close, they can't cheat. (Good book!)

31 posted on 09/01/2004 3:46:00 PM PDT by jdege
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To: So Cal Rocket

If it was strictly a state question, Florida State Supreme court would have picked Gore. But US Supreme Court vacated their opinion.
Yes, I know about the Electoral College. They are free to choose. Period.
But, maybe, just maybe, you haven't heard of the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals. They have their own rules. Ever hear of Prop 187? They buried it. Something like 67% of California voted for it. They put it in arbitration.
It is still there...
Hmmm...could Governor Schwartzenegger pull it out of arbitration???


32 posted on 09/01/2004 3:46:01 PM PDT by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in jail?)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth

Hillary's never going to try to get elected in '04, and she doesn't want Kerry elected in '04 either. She knows she has a much better chance against whoever the pubs run in '08 - Cheney if his ticker lasts, or some leser known pub.

I know this for a fact. She wakes me up in the middle of the night to tell me these things.


33 posted on 09/01/2004 3:46:34 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (spokesman for the human race)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Agree, it is an excellent question and I don't know the answer either.

The only close case I can recall is when McGovern replaced Eagleton with Shriver. Of course it's apples and oranges since it was the VP position but my memory is that Eagleton had already been nominated and elected as the candidate at the convension and McGovern just "did it".

But a change at this point would be even worse suicide than the path they're already on; a change at this time would be a McGovern drubbing.


34 posted on 09/01/2004 3:48:20 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: PlushieWithTeeth

It really doesn't matter....Bush will win who ever he runs against!!!


35 posted on 09/01/2004 3:49:04 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
So, the Dems could switch out Hillary for Kerry at any time? His campaign seems to be in a avalanche-type mudslide lately. How would this affect overseas voters?

I don't know about that, but after this week, they would not be able to substitute Hillary's name for Kerry's on the ballot in most states. In general, the states have a deadline, in order to allow them to print the absentee ballots in time.

Now, it would be possible in some states for Kerry's name to be on the ballot, but for the electors to vote for Hilary (in the case that Kerry dropped out). In other states, it is against the law for the electors to cast their votes for anyone other than the candidate on the ballot.

All this scenario would do, at this point, is guarantee a Bush win.

36 posted on 09/01/2004 3:51:19 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Proud_texan
a change at this time would be a McGovern drubbing.

With coat tails.

37 posted on 09/01/2004 3:53:12 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: PlushieWithTeeth

What do the rules have anything to do with it? Don't forget, we're talking dims here.


38 posted on 09/01/2004 3:55:33 PM PDT by paul51
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To: PlushieWithTeeth
We will have to deal with Hillary in 2008.
If you want a good conspiracy theory, how about this one:
Hillary Clinton Secretly Funds Swift Boat Vets.
39 posted on 09/01/2004 3:56:45 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: All

Thank you very much for the various answers. I don't think such a scenario is actually plausible, but I was curious as to the conditions and legalities of such an occurrence.

I appreciate your help! :)


40 posted on 09/01/2004 3:58:22 PM PDT by PlushieWithTeeth
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