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Terror leaflets found at mosque [San Jose Website Incites Murder of British People]
ic Birmingham.co.uk ^ | Aug 15 2004 | Jeanette Oldham

Posted on 08/19/2004 10:03:58 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt

San Jose Website Incites Murder of British People

British Muslim leaders angry:



Terror leaflets found at mosque
By Jeanette Oldham, Sunday Mercury, Aug 15 2004
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Hundreds of leaflets urging Muslims to become terrorist fighters have been distributed at a Midland mosque.

Police have been called in to investigate after the flyers were found at Birmingham Central Mosque last week.

The leaflets urge worshippers to become Mujahideen fighters and ask them to 'pray for death and decay to be visited upon the West'.

The literature bears the name of a group called Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamah, which mosque officials say is often used as an alias for the Al Muhajiroun group.

Al Muhajiroun, a small radical organisation which has called for a British Islamic state, has been accused of inciting terrorism, anti-Semitism and homophobia.

Mosque chairman Dr Mohammed Naseem warned that the leaflets could act as a recruitment aid for would-be terrorists.

"It is very worrying," he said. "These leaflets appear to be encouraging Muslims to become Mujahideen fighters.

"This sort of thing getting into the wrong hands is very dangerous.

"They are the views of a minority of people but young, impressionable Muslims may read this and think they should be doing these things.

"I shall be showing the leaflets to our community policeman and asking him for advice."

A mosque official who discovered piles of the leaflets at the religious centre said: "We found two varieties of a very similar flyer. It was immediately obvious that they were produced by Al Muhajiroun using their misleading alias.

"We removed them immediately after conferring with mosque staff. We have attempted to contact the authors by calling them but we have had no success.

The spokesman added: "We do not support this kind of stuff in the mosque because it can act as a recruiting sergeant for terror-related activities.

"This group's literature has found its way into the mosque before and we have banned it.

"Most of it is political ranting and raving. But we have never had anything as hate-filled as these leaflets or something which encourages people to join the Mujahideen."

Dr Naseem said he blamed the Government for Al Muhajiroun's continuing presence in Britain.

"Its leaders continue to preach and incite terrorism and yet the Government does not nothing about it," he said.

"These people should be removed from the country."

ic Birmingham.co.uk, Aug. 15, 2004



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21 posted on 08/19/2004 10:43:13 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: blackbart.223

They were raising funds for terror, and they had a web development company too, next door. Its a Federal Charge.


22 posted on 08/19/2004 10:52:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
"It is very worrying," he said. "These leaflets appear to be encouraging Muslims to become Mujahideen fighters. This sort of thing getting into the wrong hands is very dangerous."
Gosh, are you sure? ;')
In the wrong hands"? Would you mind telling me, who's are the right hands, my logical friend? [McCoy, "The Wrath of Khan"]
George W. Bush will win reelection by a margin of at least ten per cent.

23 posted on 08/19/2004 11:08:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: formercalifornian
It is in the mosque's own interest not to promote this stuff, but it is a relief to know that this one has taken measures to stop recruitment. Still, rather disturbing websites that CELEBRATE Sept. 11. 

The theme for last year's celebration of Sept. 11th was "The Magnificent 19"




Keep in mind that this celebration is being promoted from a San Jose, California website. If you are angry about al-Muhajiroun's incitement to murder the people, take a moment to let abuse@managed.com know about this violation of their acceptable use policy:
I) Prohibited Uses

... (iv) Utilize the Services in any manner that violates applicable law.

... C. Utilize the Services in connection with any tortious or actionable activity. Without limiting the general application of this rule, Users may not:

... (ii) Utilize the Services to threaten persons with bodily harm, to make harassing or abusive statements or messages, or to solicit the performance of acts or services that are illegal under applicable law.

... D. Utilize the Services in connection with any other disruptive or abusive activity. Without limiting the general application of this rule, Users may not:




24 posted on 08/19/2004 11:15:26 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

It's not a holy war - really!


25 posted on 08/19/2004 11:37:09 PM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: fuzzy122

The most effective way to win the "hearts and minds" of these lunatic militant Islamists -- is to put a bullet in each..

Semper Fi

26 posted on 08/19/2004 11:50:33 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
Thank you for your service.

Please check out the link below for Freedom*Rock. It gives one hope for the future of our country.
(I copied it to my site because they are having bandwidth problems. I have a link at the top to the original.)

Freedom*Rock

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

27 posted on 08/19/2004 11:55:21 PM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: river rat
Thank you soldier.

Please check out the link below for Freedom*Rock. It gives me hope for our future.
(I copied it to my site because they are having bandwidth problems. I have a link at the top to the original.)

Freedom*Rock

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

28 posted on 08/20/2004 12:06:15 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: Calpernia
Some translations say the 'people of the book' (meaning Christians and Jews) must be respected.

Only in the begining of the book, the later part says they must all be killed. If they are Moderate, they are not Muslim. Islam teaches to kill, lie, torture and rape. It uses the Koran and the Hadif. I can point out dozens of passages that COMMAND to kill in the name of Islam. Since Moslems claim the Koran and the Hadif is their Holy book, there is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim.

Now I know Islamics will complain about my claims of rape being taught, but what else do you call killing a man, enslaving his children and marrying his wife that day. I kinda think the wifes view point of the consumation of the marriage is along the lines of rape instead of romance. "Honey, I love you, here is the head of your husband as a wedding gift." Now you are my wife, put on the burka or I will beat you."

29 posted on 08/20/2004 12:22:30 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: coconutt2000
There is funding of terrorism. We also have seen the shoe bomber, the DC sniper duo, Johnny "Walker" aka the American Taliban, the Sgt. who killed 2 men in Iraq and wounded another dozen when he tossed grenades in a tent, and some other "American Taliban".

These are homegrown Islamofascists. It is a death cult.

Which cultists have we not discovered?

30 posted on 08/20/2004 2:13:00 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: American in Israel
On Ask The Imam, they still defend the practice of slavery, and what you (and other people in the "dim" Western world) don't realize/accept is that "rape" of a sex slave is how the master shows the slave that he loves her. Why if she were left to fend for herself after a war, she might resort to prostitution to survive.

And YES this was the excuse cited on Ask The Imam.

31 posted on 08/20/2004 2:15:32 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: weegee

Incredible!


32 posted on 08/20/2004 2:51:11 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
Is having a Slave (girl) for sex nowdyas is allowed?

[snip]

When Islam came and prospered, its power was challenged by the enemies of Islam and the need to go to war arose. By that time, slavery had virtually become an international custom. It was also rife among the Arabs from the days of darkness and ignorance. Thus, abolishing it instantateously would have caused chaos and pandemonium among the Arab people. Hence, a process of gradual extirpation had to be implemented. Moreover, if the Muslims would set all their enemy-prisoners free and tolerate their fellow Muslims being captured and enslaved by the enemies, it would have lead to a sharp decrease in the Muslim military force and given a great advantage to the enemy forces which was something that the Muslims could not afford. Furthermore, it is a well known fact that warfare tactics used by one side are often countered by the opposing side in order to maintain a balance of power. Hence, wartime diplomacy necessitated the enslaving of prisoners.

In the “Jihaads” (Islamic wars) that took place, women were also, at times, taken as prisoners of war by the Muslim warriors. These women captives used to be distributed as part of the booty among the soldiers, after their return to Islamic territory. Each soldier was then entitled to have relations ONLY with the slave girl over which he was given the RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP and NOT with those slave girls that were not in his possession. This RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP was given to him by the “Ameerul-Mu'mineen” (Head of the Islamic state.) Due to this right of ownership, It became lawful for the owner of a slave girl to have intercourse with her.

It may, superficially, appear distasteful to copulate with a woman who is not a man's legal wife, but once Shariat makes something lawful, we have to accept it as lawful, whether it appeals to our taste, or not; and whether we know its underlying wisdom or not. It is necessary for a Muslim to be acquainted with the laws of Shariat, but it is not necessary for him to delve into each law in order to find the underlying wisdom of these laws because knowledge of the wisdom of some of the laws may be beyond his puny comprehension. Allah Ta'ala has said in the Holy Quran: “Wa maa ooteetum min al-ilm illaa qaleelan” which means, more or less, that, "You have been given a very small portion of knowledge”. Hence, if a person fails to comprehend the underlying wisdom of any law of Shariat, he cannot regard it as a fault of Shariat (Allah forbid), on the contrary, it is the fault of his own perception and lack of understanding, because no law of Shariat is contradictory to wisdom.

Nevertheless, the wisdom underlying the permission granted by Shariat to copulate with a slave woman is as follows: The LEGAL possession that a Muslim receives over a slave woman from the “Ameerul-Mu'mineen” (the Islamic Head of State) gives him legal credence to have coition with the slave woman in his possession, just as the marriage ceremony gives him legal credence to have coition with his wife. In other words, this LEGAL POSSESSION is, in effect, a SUBSTITUTE of the MARRIAGE CEREMONY. A free woman cannot be 'possessed', bought or sold like other possessions; therefore Shariat instituted a 'marriage ceremony' in which affirmation and consent takes place, which gives a man the right to copulate with her. On the other hand, a slave girl can be possessed and even bought and sold, thus, this right of possession, substituting as a marriage ceremony, entitles the owner to copulate with her. A similar example can be found in the slaughtering of animals; that after a formal slaughtering process, in which the words, “Bismillahi Allahu Akbar” are recited, goats, cows, etc.; become “Halaal” and lawful for consumption, whereas fish becomes “Halaal” merely through 'possession' which substitutes for the slaughtering.

In other words, just as legal possession of a fish that has been fished out of the water, makes it Halaal for human consumption without the initiation of a formal slaughtering process; similarly legal possession of a slave woman made her Halaal for the purpose of coition with her owner without the initiation of a formal marriage ceremony.

In short, permission to have intercourse with a slave woman was not something barbaric or uncivilised; on the contrary, it was almost as good as a marriage ceremony. In fact, possession of a slave woman resembles a marriage ceremony in many ways and both have a lot in common with each other. One similarity is this that just as a free woman cannot have two husbands simultaneously, a slave woman cannot be used for intercourse by two owners. Another similarity is that a free woman whose marriage is on the rocks, cannot marry another man until her previous marriage is nullified through divorce, etc. Due to the discrepancies between husband and wife, the marriage sometimes reaches a stage where it becomes virtually impossible for the couple to live as man and wife with the result that divorce is brought into force to nullify marriage ties. Similarly, if a slave woman was married previously in enemy territory to a non-Muslim, and is then captured alone, i.e. without her husband, it is not permissible for any Muslim to have relations with her until her previous marriage is nullified, and that is done by bringing her to an Islamic country and making her the legal possession of a Muslim. Bringing her into Islamic territory necessitates the rendering of her previous marriage as null and void by Islamic law because with her husband in enemy territory and she in Islamic territory, it becomes virtually impossible for them to meet and live as man and wife. That is why it is not permissible to have intercourse with a woman whose husband is also taken into captivity and put into slavery with her. Another resemblance between the two is that, just as a divorcee has to spend a period called "Iddat" before another man is allowed to marry her, similarly, a slave woman has to spend a period called "Istibraa" before her owner can have coition with her.

Another similarity between marriage and possession of a slave woman is that just as the wife becomes a dependant of the husband and he has to provide a home, food and clothing for her, a slave woman also becomes a dependant of her owner and he has to provide a home, food and clothing for her. Yet another similarity is this that just as marriage makes the close relatives of the wife Haraam upon the husband; i.e. he cannot get married to his wife's mother, grandmother, sister, etc., similarly if a man has copulated with a slave woman the slave woman's close relatives also become Haraam upon the owner. With all these similarities it does not make sense to regard copulation with a slave woman distasteful whilst copulation with one's wife is not regarded as distasteful.

A question that may still arise is that why does the owner of a slave woman not marry her before having relations with her? Well, this is impracticable because of a few intricate technicalities. Firstly, we know that a man has to give “Mahr” (dower-money) to his bride.

[snip]

Thus, “Mahr” is a conditional prerequisite of Nikah. If a man has to marry his slave woman, it would not be possible for him to abide by this condition of 'Mahr' because by Islamic law, a slave does not have rights over any property, i.e. she cannot own anything. In fact, whatever she has with her too, i.e. her clothing, etc., is all regarded as the property of her owner. Therefore, If he gets married to his slave girl and gives her the 'Mahr' she cannot become the owner of it because she has no right of ownership. The 'Mahr' would bounce back to the owner of the slave girl and it would tantamount to giving the 'mahr' to himself. Hence, the owner would become the payer as well as the PAYEE of the 'mahr' which would only result in the mockery of the whole system of 'mahr'. It would be absolutely superflous to have such a marriage ceremony performed that makes a mockery of the 'mahr' system. Hence, the owner cannot get married to her while she remains a slave girl. However, if he sets her free, then he can get married to her on the basis of her having become a liberated woman.

Although the owner himself cannot get married to his slave woman, without giving her freedom, he can get her married to someone else. If he gets her married to someone else, then only her husband can now have intercourse with her and the owner's right of having intercourse with her comes to an end. All these facts prove that the slave girl does not become an instrument of sex; on the contrary, her honour is upheld, in that only one man is allowed to have intercourse with her JUST AS only one man (the husband) is allowed to have intercourse with his lawfully wedded wife.

Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society.

Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) enjoined his followers to treat the slaves kindly, gently, and, above all, to regard them as members of the family. In this way, they were made to feel wanted; which was far better than treating them as outcasts and leaving them to wander the streets of a strange society in a peniless, destitute condition. Such treatment would have ultimately forced them to take up evil occupations such as prostitution in the case of slave woman in order to fill their hungry stomachs. The First World War in 1914 was a clear reflection of the evils involved in setting captive women free to roars about in a strange society with strange surroundings. During that war, German and English women prisoners on either side were set free to roam the streets with no-one to feed them. The result was obvious that they resorted to other unrefined and uncivilised methods of income on the streets. Thus, it is evident that the Islamic treatment of women prisoners of war was conducive towards better social relations and led to the refinement of their overall social lives

[snip]

One question that still remains is whether slavery still legally prevails anywhere in the Islamic world and whether it can be successfully implemented in this age. Well, there is no prevalence of lawful slavery in the Islamic world today and it would be difficult to implement it because of the stringent conditions attached to it. Firstly, the prisoners have to be captured in 'Jihaad' in the true sense of the word. Then again, If true 'Jihaad' did break out somewhere, there are still a number of other laws and conditions to abide by which are far too stringent for any Islamic country in the world to abide by in this time and age when people's personal gains and whims and desire are being given preference to over Islamic Law. According to Islamic Law, captive female prisoners are also part and parcel of the booty. One fifth of the booty has to be first distributed to the needy, orphans, etc. The remaining four-fifths should then be distributed among the soldiers who participated in the war. The distribution can only take effect after the booty is brought into Islamic territory. The Ameerul-Mu'mineen (Head of the Islamic State) remains the guardian of the female prisoners until he allocates them to the soldiers. Only after a soldier has been allotted a slave girl, and made the owner of her, will she become his lawful possession. After she spends a period called 'Istibraa', which is the elapse of one menstrual period, It becomes permissible for her owner to have relations with her. After possession of the slave too there are a number of other laws that affect the master and slave. There is hardly any Islamic country today that can abide to all these conditions, with the result that it is quite difficult to implement slavery in this time and age. [snip]

He never does discuss the detail that the women DO NOT CHOOSE SLAVERY OR CONSENT TO SEXUAL ACTIVITY. It is rape.

As to whether slavery is still "legal" under Islam? Yes. There is no change to Islamic Law, the Koran defines it, thus it is okay. There will never be a reformation of Islam.

If the left would look at the language of this answer, "Jihad" does not mean "personal struggle", it is a holy war. Also if there appears to be an "us and them" mentality, the left needs to examine the concept of what a "muslim territory" is.

Christians, Jews, Buddists, Hindus, et al can only co-exist peacefully with muslims if they can CO-EXIST with other religions. This means that the law cannot distinguish between muslims, Jews/Christians, and "everybody else". It also means that free exercise of and conversion to other faiths must be tolerated.

33 posted on 08/20/2004 3:33:45 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

"because we let it exist by not complaining loud enough "

"Complain" my foot........isn't this the job of 'Homeland Security" in the U.S.? They should be notified and the problem taken care of.


34 posted on 08/20/2004 4:40:04 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Calpernia

"Are there moderate Muslims?"

Of course there are. Some are conservative Republicans and freepers. Bush won 55% of the Muslim vote in 2000.


35 posted on 08/20/2004 4:50:34 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: nuconvert

>>>Of course there are. Some are conservative Republicans and freepers. Bush won 55% of the Muslim vote in 2000.

So, it is true than, it just depends on which translation they follow of the Quran? Do you know this or are you just speculating?


36 posted on 08/20/2004 5:37:10 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: nuconvert
Moderation includes rape of women, slavery, torture and murder, lying and theft.

Real Moderate... to a Muslim.

I like the section above:

once Shariat makes something lawful, we have to accept it as lawful, whether it appeals to our taste, or not; and whether we know its underlying wisdom or not. It is necessary for a Muslim to be acquainted with the laws of Shariat, but it is not necessary for him to delve into each law in order to find the underlying wisdom of these laws because knowledge of the wisdom of some of the laws may be beyond his puny comprehension.

Translated, you are too stupid to understand why we make laws that say it is OK to rape and murder. Just do what you are told and never question authority. Same logic the Nazi's used when caught killing millions of helpless prisoners, "I was just following orders".

They hung for it, for following orders that any sane man could tell in his heart were corruption and lies. So also will Muslims die in the fires of hell when they stand before the real God and try to explain why they thought a God that was powerful enough to create the Universe, needed there personal help in rape and murder.

How do you like the way the say they honor Marriage in that a slave girl could not be raped until her Previous marriage was annulled. One by beheading her husband, or two by bringing her into Islamic Territory.

Cute, that means if you caught my sister on a raid at a gas station and dragged her into a Mosque, it would be quite acceptable to your Religion to rape her on the floor as her Marriage to my brother in law was thereby annulled.

When you Moslem's come out of the closet, there is going to be a big surprise for you. Americans are not cowards, and terrorism only pisses off the majority. You all are prepping to open the biggest can of whoop-ass in your history.

37 posted on 08/20/2004 5:39:21 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Only in the begining of the book, the later part says they must all be killed. If they are Moderate, they are not Muslim. Islam teaches to kill, lie, torture and rape. It uses the Koran and the Hadif. I can point out dozens of passages that COMMAND to kill in the name of Islam. Since Moslems claim the Koran and the Hadif is their Holy book, there is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim.



Two of the translation I've read did say to kill the infidels yes.

Two of them did not. I'm looking for the website now (lost my bookmarks in a reformat). I had found a website that had each line of the quran translated by 4 different Imaan. And it was done this way to compare each line.

If a Muslim follows the translations that don't say kill the infidel; but to respect the people of the book, then wouldn't that be a Moderate Muslim?


38 posted on 08/20/2004 5:42:47 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: American in Israel

>>>>Moderation includes rape of women, slavery, torture and murder, lying and theft.

This is part of Shariah? Do all the translations of the Quran include the same Shariah laws? Or do the different translations follow different Shariah?


39 posted on 08/20/2004 5:47:03 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia
In short, permission to have intercourse with a slave woman was not something barbaric or uncivilised; on the contrary, it was almost as good as a marriage ceremony.

You are a sick bunch of people you know that? You call this HOLY?! Explain this please, perhaps I am too STUPID to understand how this "logic" excuses murder and rape of women.

One similarity is this that just as a free woman cannot have two husbands simultaneously, a slave woman cannot be used for intercourse by two owners

Tell me how this is MODERATION? Gee, we are so moderate that we will only rape your sister one at a time, and sell her in between?

Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her...It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society.

First you kill her husband, kidnap her and then cure her hurt by making her a sex slave. In case you did not notice, your moderation and sexual enlighenment can get you the electric chair here in America

The more I deal with Muslims, the more they seem like the embodyment of Satan on earth. Any excess is allowed and called holy. Murder, rape, envy, greed, lust, torture, kidnapping, lying...

Get a clue dude, you are a Satanist bent on world conquest.

40 posted on 08/20/2004 5:56:18 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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