Posted on 08/17/2004 10:26:07 AM PDT by white trash redneck
A new poll commissioned by the National Jewish Democratic Council says American Jews will still vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic presidential candidate, John Kerry, despite US President George W. Bush's policies toward Israel, which have been widely praised by the Jewish community.
The poll, released on Monday, said American Jews preferred Kerry to Bush by a 75 to 22 percent margin. The survey of 817 likely Jewish voters was conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research between July 26 and 28, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percent.
Respondents said in 2000 they had voted for Vice President Al Gore over Bush by a similar margin of 76 to 21 percent.
Exit polls in 2000 showed Gore won 79 percent of the Jewish vote, and Bush 19 percent.
"The White House and (President Bush's political adviser) Karl Rove in particular have expended a lot of resources on this Jewish vote. Just like with Hispanics, they've come up with zero," said Ira Forman, executive director of NJDC.
Matthew Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, a rival group, discounted the survey's results since the poll was taken during the Democratic Convention in Boston.
"I discount these findings because this poll was taken right in the middle of the Democratic Convention, right in the middle of a massive deluge of Kerry press coverage," Brooks said.
"We stand firmly committed to the notion that President Bush will do substantially better among Jewish voters than he did in 2000," Brooks added.
Another survey of American Jewish opinion in January found that 31 percent of Jews would support Bush when matched with Kerry, who was not yet the nominee at the time.
The new NJDC survey said 66 percent found Kerry to be better on the issue of Israel, while 34 percent found Bush to be. Only 23 percent of respondents felt the country was moving in the right direction, while 77 percent said it was on the wrong track. Twenty-five percent approved strongly or somewhat of the way Bush is handling his job as president, while 75 percent disapproved strongly or somewhat.
A new national Zogby survey released Monday showed Kerry ahead of Bush 47 to 43 percent. Without Independent Ralph Nader and other candidates the lead stretched to 50 to 43 percent.
You're a recovering democrat, like myself. As you say, tradition led you to accept the democrat party without question, until you grew up and gave the issues a critical examination. I can relate.
I'm Irish Catholic, and was born into a democrat tradition, and much like Jews, expected to be loyal democrat party voters. The American Irish used to vote 90% Dem, but Reagan opened many eyes. He was Irish descent, switched from Dem to GOP and had good reasons for his apostacy. Now, Irish vote about 50/50 Dem/GOP.
Life is not static, Jews can and will re-examine their inherited politics based on self interest.. Things change, people wise up, drop old assumptions.
I have every faith that Jews will drift right to protect themselves. The stakes are too high because Jews would be the FIRST to die when appeasement and weakness reign. Logic pushes Jews to conservatism.
Many of the comments on this thread are quite upsetting to me. It is quite sad to learn that so many folks here hold such opinions. I am hoping that they are simply a very noisy minority. It is one thing to ask why most Jews are liberal. It is quite another to then supply your own bigotted, ignorant answer to that question.
What bigoted, ignorant answer are you alleging that I supplied?
I guess you missed the deliberately misspelled last word of my response. Now THAT'S sarcasm!
I suspect the majority of Jews polled are 'cultural Jews', like the 'cultural Catholics' who support Kerry. Those who are more traditional and hold their faith more closely will vote for Bush.
East coast Jews are largely secular...this is one reason for their democrat leanings. But by and large, just like many, many Christians who vote democrat...they do it because their parents did. It's simply carrying on tradition. They don't realize that the old democrat party left them decades ago. Their voting democrat is sad but true. I don't understand this anymore than I understand a Christian voting democrat. Like my entire family, sigh...
I guess I should make sure that my posts make sense before I finalize them. Again, I'm sorry for being unclear.
This same utter lack of logic can be found in many older Southerners. They were raised to believe that "Republicans are out for the rich and Democrats are out for the working man." You could walk them down every major political leaning and they'd be SOLID conservative on every issue, yet when you finish they'll tell you they wouldn't dream of voting anything but Democrat. Maddening but true.
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I think EveningStar is referring to other posters. Examples of what spews from that minority, from the last couple days. Useful comments for Dems trying to supress Jews who might consider a vote for GWB
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1192537/posts
Yeah... maybe there IS no good reason... American Jews and American Muslims are both in bed with the Democrats,,, screw 'em both
Jews also overwhelmingly supported Stalin. I guess political stupidity is hardwired into the Jewish mind.
Given the choice between voting Republican and lining up to catch a train for Auschwitz, most American Jews would fight for a place in line for the train so long as Hillary Clinton was punching their tickets. It's the lemming vote.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1193284/posts
How could such an educated and responsible group of people be so politically stupid for so long?
Please dont take this as being Anti -Semitic, but if 76% of American jews like Kerry over Bush there are some dumb-assed American jews.
You know something? It will serve them right if something really horrible happens to Israel if Kerry gets elected. Sad to say but sometimes people need a painfull reminder of who their real friends are.
Are Jews more anti-Christian than pro-Israel?
It is as amazing to me that Jews would vote for the party of anti-Semitism as it is that blacks vote the party of racism.
I can't stand how they want their cake and eat it too. Let these groups finally bear the consequences of their actions. We are damned if we do, damned if we don't. If these groups don't have negative consequences put upon them by their choices, then they will continue to support Democrats at no cost to their pork.
Well isn't this a kick in the junk! If they got their wish it would be hard to feel any empathy for the adverse consequenses they would suffer.
They seem determined to aid their own destruction. They seem to enjoy misery as away to exist.
I wonder if they felt the same way about Hitler?
And that racist blacks who hate them [Jews] vote in a democrat block also.
The Jews have been on the wrong side of history ever since the Exodus. So this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Not at all surprising to me. American liberal Jews are suicidal in the extreme. While they do not profess a hatred of Israel their actions tend to be more anti-Israel and anti-Jewish than any "hate" group I can think of. They support Nazi-style gun bans, a Nazi-style police state, Nazi-style propaganda (Jews own or control over 70% of mass media outlets...just a statistical fact folks, not me being a Nazi okay?), and Nazi-style socialism (government 'partnering' with private industry for the 'common good').
The devil has decieved them. They are blinded because of their unbelief.
If Bush Wins in November, then he should abide by the wishes of the Jewish voters and minimize support for Israel and make sure the hard working American tax dollars are completely cutoff from Israel. All aid to Israel should end. It is disgusting the tribe mentality of so many groups. I really have just now changed my view of American taxpayer support of Israel.
There is an extreme hatred/fear of Christians and Christianity among most American Jews that never really becomes obvious until something or someone Christian threatens to bubble up to the mainstream….That much is fact. I'm sure the reasons for it are more complex than I can guess at. It is ironic that if Christianity met the doom that most Jews wish for it that their own doom would swiftly follow.
the majority of Jews believe that in 1920 an organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood which is the original AQ and Arab Nazis was working with Hitler. It became the official policy of the The Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt. After WWII they moved to Saudi Arabia at which time BinLaden became interested. They also believe the CIA is an arm of this secret society which hates Jews. On top of it all they believe Bush 41 and 43 are also involved and support the Muslim Brotherhood.
A Christianity that is hidden and without influence ( as clearly most American Jews prefer ) is in no position to guard against what the rest of the world desires for the Jews.
what I say is......let them face the consequences..... objectively, the Jews of America are all about money, period, with an occassional indignation for some percieved injustice, just so they can claim some civil right infringement.....
THE ONLY REASON I CAN SEE WHY AMERICAN JEWS VOTE THE WAY THEY DO IS THAT THEY PURSUE MONEY ISSUES ABOVE ALL ELSE....
Documented accounts of Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis
For some damn reason, the Majority of Jews in this country are leftists, and leftists DESPISE Christianity and since Bush is a Devout Christian, they DESPISE him!!
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To: SJackson
[SJ] I didn't say you're a Jewhater, though you strike me as a nutcase
[SJ] You're right, you didn't say "guilt", you said "anxiety". Thanks for your concern about Jewish "anxiety".
[JC]"And Jews throughout this country know the history of hate and violence that can be sparked by this kind of powerful material," David Gad-Harf, head of the Jewish Community Council of Metropolitan Detroit, said Wednesday. "We feel secure and well established here in our country, but we know this history. We know what has happened in the past. That's why we've got such a high level of anxiety."
I can give you many examples of others asking the same thing during that time, are they all nut cases?
Can you go any lower?
420 posted on 08/18/2004 11:06:01 AM CDT by Jim_Curtis
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Keep trying troll.
While I don’t know anything about David Gad-Harf (and I suspect you don’t either), it’s clear he’s referring to anxiety over millennia of persecution of Jews at the hands of Christians who blame Jews to this day for the death of Christ.
The curse which they have entailed upon themselves, [which] appears to me to to penetrate even to the very marrow of their bones,--even to the unborn infants. They appear to me encompassed on all sides by darkness… thing.
Not an opinion I share, but his anxiety has a legitimate historical basis, particularly when discussing Emmerick. There are still some nutcases that feel that way.
You, on the other hand, were clearly referring to Jewish anxiety, today, over the Jewish role in the Crucifixion.
… the anxiety over what some people had a part in 2000 years ago carrying over to their descendents so many generations later.
Complete nonsense. That’s not a worry to any Jew I’ve ever met. Nor is there any validity to your statement that most Jews wish doom upon Christianity. Sorry about your Jew fetish. Try asprin, maybe it will help.
Have you ever posted anything or replied to anything on FR that wasn't about Jews or Jewishness?
Jim_Curtis, we are just responding to your lies and misrepresentations of Jews and Judaism. Jews tend to interest in that sort of thing. We like to correct or at least try to let the person know they are wrong.
Interestingly enough...
Jewish Scientist's Claim to Discover Aspirin Denied by Nazis
The true discoverer of aspirin was denied recognition because he was a German Jew whose authority was undermined when the Nazis came to power, Dr Walter Sneader of Strathclyde University will claim at the Royal Society of Chemistry's Annual Conference today. In this centenary year of aspirin's launch, Dr Sneader, who is an expert on the history of drug discovery, will detail his detective work that, he says, shows the currently accepted story is not the whole truth. Dr Sneader will address the conference at Heriot- Watt University in Edinburgh.
Aspirin was launched by the Germany company Bayer in 1899 as an effective treatment for rheumatic pain and headache. Since then it is estimated that people have consumed one million million aspirin tablets. The only effective drug for rheumatism before aspirin was exceptionally bitter to the taste and often caused nausea and vomiting. Bayer searched for a more palatable alternative. Felix Hoffmann, a chemist who worked for Bayer, has long been acknowledged as the discover of aspirin, but Dr Sneader claims it was actually Hoffmann's supervisor, Arthur Eichengrun, who deserves the credit.
In 1996, Dr Sneader was asked to give a lecture on the discovery of aspirin. It was while doing research for this talk that he became suspicious of the accepted story. Although there is no doubt that it was Hoffmann who synthesised pure aspirin in 1897, it was not until 1934 that Hoffmann claimed the work as all his own initiative. Eichengrun did not publish his version of events until 1949, in which he stated that Hoffmann had synthesised aspirin under his direction. Intrigued by the difference in these stories, Dr Sneader asked Bayer to let him examine pages of Hoffmann's laboratory notebooks. In these, he discovered evidence that chimed with Eichengrun's version of events. Eichengrun had previously developed methods to make another drug more tolerable. From the laboratory notes, it can be seen that Hoffmann was methodically adapting Eichengrun's scheme to other poorly tolerated drugs, one of which turned out to be aspirin. "There's a clear pattern emerging that substantiates Eichengrun's story," says Sneader.
How then, was Eichengrun' s role overlooked? In 1933, the Nazi's came to power in Germany, and Eichengrun, by then a successful owner of his own chemical company, found his business under great threat of being forcibly removed from him. He had no time to refute Hoffmann's 1934 claim to aspirin. Eichengrun survived 14 months of the war interned in a concentration camp. It was not until 1949 that he published his own claim to the discovery, but he died the same month. Dr Sneader states that he has documentary evidence for all his claims. "My hope is that the man who was truly responsible for the discovery of aspirin receives the full credit he deserves," he says.
1. The RSC Annual Conference will be held at Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh from 6-10 September 1999.
Wasn't there a thread some time back that stated that helf the Israeli Jews want to give the Palestinians the West Bank & Gaza (Judea & Samaria) and pull all the Jewish settlements out?? except for those that actually have homes, farms, businesses and companies there...
read later
Have you ever posted anything or replied to anything on FR that wasn't about Jews or Jewishness?
Jews tend to interest in that sort of thing
Is it a "Jew fetish"? I've never seen anyone so obsessed with anything as SJackson is with Jews. Kinda ironic that person would spit out the term "Jew fetish"
the only Conservative Jews I've ever met have been here on FR (all 20 of them).
You need to get out more.
Orthodox Jews will support GWB over JFK, and they will do so because of their religious dedication to Israel.
You left out those issues that fall under the rubric of "values" (gay marriage, etc.)
The moderate practicing Jews will split their votes; some care more about Israel, some care more about their leftism.
And some vote their pocketbook.
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