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The Death of Canadian Scouting
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 13 August 2004 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 08/15/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by BraveMan

Scouts Canada ceased to serve any useful purpose the day they became all-inclusive, all-sensitive, and all-tolerant.

Big Canadian real estate is on the market. A rather sizable chunk of Lord Robert Baden-Powell's Empire is available for investors, homebuilders, fishing resort prospectors, or blacktop barons. Scouts Canada is pounding in "for sale" signs at the entrances of a number of Scout camps across the country, including at least twenty camps in Ontario. But don't worry. No Boy Scouts will mourn the loss of their summer camps, for the Boy Scouts of Canada no longer exist.

Thinking they could become more inclusive, the Boy Scouts of Canada Board of Governors decided in November 1998 to admit females, atheists, agnostics, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals into troops. Although established troops were not even allowed to remain all-male groups, Scouts Canada approved the establishment of the world's first all-homosexual troop in 1999. The troop marches in homosexual pride parades and loudly symbolizes what Scouts Canada calls its commitment to diversity.

Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly influenced by the behavior of adults. We need to be sensitive to the traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions which "put down" anybody."

And so, in its attempt to include everybody and everything, Scouts Canada is effectively dead.

Budgets have run dry. Troop halls and old campsites sit vacant. Professional staff salaries are severed. Membership is mostly decimated. In the past, membership roles consistently exceeded 300,000. Around the peak in 1965, there were 320,000 Boy Scouts. Today, despite a one third population increase in Canada over four decades and a doubling of the demographic possibilities (with female members), Scouts Canada has dwindled to a puny 130,000 and it is rapidly declining.

Open to all, there is a certain liability that accompanies the mixture of sexes and sexual preferences at Scout Camp. It is no coincidence that Scouts Canada's costs for liability insurance against sexual molestation claims increased dramatically by 2002 when, lacking adequate finances, Scouts Canada canceled its sex abuse insurance, and with it many "high risk" activities. Without the insurance, a single pedophile could potentially annihilate Scouts Canada forever.

Esprit de corps has evaporated. Last year, wearing a uniform at official Scout events became optional. Scoutmasters were deprived of the authority to demand the wearing of uniforms. "It's time to stop bickering about the clothes we wear," said Ms. Bonita Brick, chair of the National Scouts Youth Committee that handed down the uniform decision. "Accept the reality of change."

It seems that change is not so attractive to the traditional core of Scouts Canada. "It is disheartening. Everything seems to be going down and down," laments veteran Scouter Bill Stauttener, who manages Union Marsh Scout Camp which is set to go on the chopping block.

Eastern Ontario's Camp Apple Hill is expected to sell for just $30,000, a bargain considering that it is 300 acres. "It's very heartbreaking and very distressing," says three-decade Scout leader Pat Tugwood.

It may be a sad affair for some who've been around Canadian Scouting for a while, but I say good riddance to Scouts Canada. They ceased to serve any useful purpose the day they became all-inclusive, all-sensitive, and all-tolerant. The Scout Oath and Scout Law are obliterated in the land of the red maple leaf north of Parallel 49.

It is doubtful that this organization can be resuscitated. Political correctness, having infected whole institutions, does not easily reverse. But we Americans might well consider this malady and contain it at the border.

"In meeting the challenges of a multi-faith society which is increasingly gay-positive, the [Boy Scouts of America] might follow the lead of Scouts Canada," urges a writer at ReligiousTolerance.org. And thus the far Left attacks the Boy Scouts of America, relentlessly for the past two decades.

There are prices to be paid by the BSA for standing on traditional moral values, but none so severe as this eulogy of Scouts Canada. In America, United Way funding may be cut, cities and school districts may abandon the Scouts, courts may order the Scouts to leave public property. But so long as the Scout Oath and Law remain intact, the Boy Scouts of America can survive.

Goodbye, Scouts Canada. Political correctness is sure grand, eh?


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agnostics; atheists; bisexuals; boyscouts; bsa; females; gays; hanszeiger; homosexualagenda; lesbians; theend; transsexuals; troops
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To: NicknamedBob
Which religion is being discriminated against?

I didn't say a religion was being discriminated against.  I said the kids were based on a religious criterion.
41 posted on 08/15/2004 10:35:55 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

You may be an old-timer on this site, but given the narrative of the article on the decline of Scouting in Canada, your troll-like question appears to be designed to pick a fight.

Troll-like, as I said.


42 posted on 08/15/2004 10:37:13 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I don't get what's bothering you.

Doesn't bother me at all as long as they aren't on any public payout. 
The question itself seemed to bother several posters, though, as if they were reluctant to admit what they were favoring.
43 posted on 08/15/2004 10:38:15 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

I am in favor of allowing an organization the freedom to require its members to profess their belief in a Creator, yes.

The are a myriad of other organizations who do not require of it's members a belief in a Creator. Let those who cannot accept the position of the BSA turn to these other, more accomodating organizations.

FWIW, the total sum of "mandatory religious indoctrination" is in the act of reciting the Scout Oath. I'm sure an atheist could fake it . . .


44 posted on 08/15/2004 10:38:19 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: gcruse
Churches choose, or "discriminate" on religion (when they hire a pastor they require he believe what the denomination believes), and u can give to them and get a tax break, and some church require u to tithe to be a member. So scout a private, civil minded club has membership dues (it's just a few dollars a year, i dont even think its a set amount) and so yea you should be able to donate to them and get a tax break. Churches have axcess (some times for a small fee) to school grounds when they are not in session to conduct religious services, so why cant scouts?


its like 1:30 in the morning here. i need to go to bed. I enjoyed debating with u cruse, and think ur wrong, leave me an e-mail, or just post a response and we can go at it later as long as the thread is open.
45 posted on 08/15/2004 10:38:56 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok (DNC- "We have made a clone. We shall call him Minnie Dukakis")
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To: gcruse
We weren't discussing whether religions were discriminatory, but whether the BSA is.

You write as if discrimination based on religion were "wrong."

"Wrong" is defined by religion. Without religion the word does not exist (along with "should" or "shouldn't").

Besides, I thought that it was precisely private organizations that had the most right to discriminate (as opposed to the government, f'rinstance).

46 posted on 08/15/2004 10:38:59 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: VOA
come on Canada, just admit it. You're just a province of Old Europe. Not a real country.

...of Old French Europe. Maybe We (the USA) can trade them (the Canadiens) regions of our countries....New England (less NH), for lets' say, the Western Provinces.

47 posted on 08/15/2004 10:39:04 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Morgan's Raider
If you can't take it and mean it, don't join.

Works for me.  Just don't look for any public funding or special taxpayer treatment.
48 posted on 08/15/2004 10:39:55 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys

...and Australians????


49 posted on 08/15/2004 10:40:10 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Why would a guy like you want to join the Gideons anyway?

LOL  I don't know. For free little books?
50 posted on 08/15/2004 10:41:00 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
"We weren't discussing whether religions were discriminatory, but whether the BSA is."

Of course they are. Just like any other group that has a "membership." So what?

51 posted on 08/15/2004 10:41:28 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: headsonpikes
Troll-like, as I said.

All I asked for was a yes or no.  That bothers you?
52 posted on 08/15/2004 10:42:21 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: BraveMan
I'm sure an atheist could fake it . . .

Encouraging kids to lie isn't very scoutlike.
53 posted on 08/15/2004 10:44:07 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: BraveMan
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


54 posted on 08/15/2004 10:45:10 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: gcruse
I don't get what's bothering you.

Doesn't bother me at all as long as they aren't on any public payout. The question itself seemed to bother several posters, though, as if they were reluctant to admit what they were favoring.

I don't see anything to be ashamed about in believing that private organizations have the right to require certain religious beliefs of their members (and thus excluse those who don't share them), whatever those beliefs might be. But then again, I believe in only One True Religion and that all others are unauthorized and "wrong," so I may be a little old-fashioned here. I also want to rebuild the Temple and reinstitute animal sacrifices. Maybe you can write that up to "multiculturalism" (pretend I'm a s*nt*rian or something).

Re "public payout," why should that matter? I mean, you don't claim it's "wrong" or something, do you? Why, is it in the Torah that religious organizations can't be on the "public payout?" There isn't another source of what constitutes "right" and "wrong," is there???

55 posted on 08/15/2004 10:45:19 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: gcruse
..to join the Gideons anyway?..I don't know. For free little books?

HA!HA!.. :))

56 posted on 08/15/2004 10:46:55 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You write as if discrimination based on religion were "wrong."

Keeping kids out of scouts for religious reasons seems wrong to me.
Your mileage obviously varies.  But if they're going to do that, forget public funding.
57 posted on 08/15/2004 10:47:56 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
..to join the Gideons anyway?..I don't know. For free little books?

HA!HA!.. :))

58 posted on 08/15/2004 10:48:03 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: gcruse

You are correct. To thine own self be true.


59 posted on 08/15/2004 10:48:05 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: nightdriver

Thanks. I put you down for "yes."


60 posted on 08/15/2004 10:48:58 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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