The Death of Canadian Scouting

Intellectual Conservative ^ | 13 August 2004 | Hans Zeiger

[gcruse]

Which religion is being discriminated against?

I didn't say a religion was being discriminated against.  I said the kids were based on a religious criterion.

[headsonpikes]

You may be an old-timer on this site, but given the narrative of the article on the decline of Scouting in Canada, your troll-like question appears to be designed to pick a fight.

Troll-like, as I said.

[gcruse]

I don't get what's bothering you.

Doesn't bother me at all as long as they aren't on any public payout. 
The question itself seemed to bother several posters, though, as if they were reluctant to admit what they were favoring.

[BraveMan]

I am in favor of allowing an organization the freedom to require its members to profess their belief in a Creator, yes.

The are a myriad of other organizations who do not require of it's members a belief in a Creator. Let those who cannot accept the position of the BSA turn to these other, more accomodating organizations.

FWIW, the total sum of "mandatory religious indoctrination" is in the act of reciting the Scout Oath. I'm sure an atheist could fake it . . .

[Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok]

Churches choose, or "discriminate" on religion (when they hire a pastor they require he believe what the denomination believes), and u can give to them and get a tax break, and some church require u to tithe to be a member. So scout a private, civil minded club has membership dues (it's just a few dollars a year, i dont even think its a set amount) and so yea you should be able to donate to them and get a tax break. Churches have axcess (some times for a small fee) to school grounds when they are not in session to conduct religious services, so why cant scouts?


its like 1:30 in the morning here. i need to go to bed. I enjoyed debating with u cruse, and think ur wrong, leave me an e-mail, or just post a response and we can go at it later as long as the thread is open.

[Zionist Conspirator]

We weren't discussing whether religions were discriminatory, but whether the BSA is.

You write as if discrimination based on religion were "wrong."

"Wrong" is defined by religion. Without religion the word does not exist (along with "should" or "shouldn't").

Besides, I thought that it was precisely private organizations that had the most right to discriminate (as opposed to the government, f'rinstance).

[skinkinthegrass]

come on Canada, just admit it. You're just a province of Old Europe. Not a real country.

...of Old French Europe. Maybe We (the USA) can trade them (the Canadiens) regions of our countries....New England (less NH), for lets' say, the Western Provinces.

[gcruse]

If you can't take it and mean it, don't join.

Works for me.  Just don't look for any public funding or special taxpayer treatment.

[skinkinthegrass]

...and Australians????

[gcruse]

Why would a guy like you want to join the Gideons anyway?

LOL  I don't know. For free little books?

[nightdriver]

"We weren't discussing whether religions were discriminatory, but whether the BSA is."

Of course they are. Just like any other group that has a "membership." So what?

[gcruse]

Troll-like, as I said.

All I asked for was a yes or no.  That bothers you?

[gcruse]

I'm sure an atheist could fake it . . .

Encouraging kids to lie isn't very scoutlike.

[DoctorZIn]

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[Zionist Conspirator]

I don't get what's bothering you.

Doesn't bother me at all as long as they aren't on any public payout. The question itself seemed to bother several posters, though, as if they were reluctant to admit what they were favoring.

I don't see anything to be ashamed about in believing that private organizations have the right to require certain religious beliefs of their members (and thus excluse those who don't share them), whatever those beliefs might be. But then again, I believe in only One True Religion and that all others are unauthorized and "wrong," so I may be a little old-fashioned here. I also want to rebuild the Temple and reinstitute animal sacrifices. Maybe you can write that up to "multiculturalism" (pretend I'm a s*nt*rian or something).

Re "public payout," why should that matter? I mean, you don't claim it's "wrong" or something, do you? Why, is it in the Torah that religious organizations can't be on the "public payout?" There isn't another source of what constitutes "right" and "wrong," is there???

[skinkinthegrass]

..to join the Gideons anyway?..I don't know. For free little books?

HA!HA!.. :))

[gcruse]

You write as if discrimination based on religion were "wrong."

Keeping kids out of scouts for religious reasons seems wrong to me.
Your mileage obviously varies.  But if they're going to do that, forget public funding.

[skinkinthegrass]

..to join the Gideons anyway?..I don't know. For free little books?

HA!HA!.. :))

[BraveMan]

You are correct. To thine own self be true.

[gcruse]

Thanks. I put you down for "yes."