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The Death of Canadian Scouting
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 13 August 2004 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 08/15/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by BraveMan

Scouts Canada ceased to serve any useful purpose the day they became all-inclusive, all-sensitive, and all-tolerant.

Big Canadian real estate is on the market. A rather sizable chunk of Lord Robert Baden-Powell's Empire is available for investors, homebuilders, fishing resort prospectors, or blacktop barons. Scouts Canada is pounding in "for sale" signs at the entrances of a number of Scout camps across the country, including at least twenty camps in Ontario. But don't worry. No Boy Scouts will mourn the loss of their summer camps, for the Boy Scouts of Canada no longer exist.

Thinking they could become more inclusive, the Boy Scouts of Canada Board of Governors decided in November 1998 to admit females, atheists, agnostics, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals into troops. Although established troops were not even allowed to remain all-male groups, Scouts Canada approved the establishment of the world's first all-homosexual troop in 1999. The troop marches in homosexual pride parades and loudly symbolizes what Scouts Canada calls its commitment to diversity.

Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly influenced by the behavior of adults. We need to be sensitive to the traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions which "put down" anybody."

And so, in its attempt to include everybody and everything, Scouts Canada is effectively dead.

Budgets have run dry. Troop halls and old campsites sit vacant. Professional staff salaries are severed. Membership is mostly decimated. In the past, membership roles consistently exceeded 300,000. Around the peak in 1965, there were 320,000 Boy Scouts. Today, despite a one third population increase in Canada over four decades and a doubling of the demographic possibilities (with female members), Scouts Canada has dwindled to a puny 130,000 and it is rapidly declining.

Open to all, there is a certain liability that accompanies the mixture of sexes and sexual preferences at Scout Camp. It is no coincidence that Scouts Canada's costs for liability insurance against sexual molestation claims increased dramatically by 2002 when, lacking adequate finances, Scouts Canada canceled its sex abuse insurance, and with it many "high risk" activities. Without the insurance, a single pedophile could potentially annihilate Scouts Canada forever.

Esprit de corps has evaporated. Last year, wearing a uniform at official Scout events became optional. Scoutmasters were deprived of the authority to demand the wearing of uniforms. "It's time to stop bickering about the clothes we wear," said Ms. Bonita Brick, chair of the National Scouts Youth Committee that handed down the uniform decision. "Accept the reality of change."

It seems that change is not so attractive to the traditional core of Scouts Canada. "It is disheartening. Everything seems to be going down and down," laments veteran Scouter Bill Stauttener, who manages Union Marsh Scout Camp which is set to go on the chopping block.

Eastern Ontario's Camp Apple Hill is expected to sell for just $30,000, a bargain considering that it is 300 acres. "It's very heartbreaking and very distressing," says three-decade Scout leader Pat Tugwood.

It may be a sad affair for some who've been around Canadian Scouting for a while, but I say good riddance to Scouts Canada. They ceased to serve any useful purpose the day they became all-inclusive, all-sensitive, and all-tolerant. The Scout Oath and Scout Law are obliterated in the land of the red maple leaf north of Parallel 49.

It is doubtful that this organization can be resuscitated. Political correctness, having infected whole institutions, does not easily reverse. But we Americans might well consider this malady and contain it at the border.

"In meeting the challenges of a multi-faith society which is increasingly gay-positive, the [Boy Scouts of America] might follow the lead of Scouts Canada," urges a writer at ReligiousTolerance.org. And thus the far Left attacks the Boy Scouts of America, relentlessly for the past two decades.

There are prices to be paid by the BSA for standing on traditional moral values, but none so severe as this eulogy of Scouts Canada. In America, United Way funding may be cut, cities and school districts may abandon the Scouts, courts may order the Scouts to leave public property. But so long as the Scout Oath and Law remain intact, the Boy Scouts of America can survive.

Goodbye, Scouts Canada. Political correctness is sure grand, eh?


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agnostics; atheists; bisexuals; boyscouts; bsa; females; gays; hanszeiger; homosexualagenda; lesbians; theend; transsexuals; troops
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys

Well, yes, but that isn't a discrimination based on one's beliefs, is it?


21 posted on 08/15/2004 10:18:37 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: BraveMan
How sad. I was a Girl Scout (years before they sold out) but I contribute to the BSA yearly. They need all the help they can get to continue to hold out against the Christo/heterophobes.
22 posted on 08/15/2004 10:19:45 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys

The left claims "it's for the kids" yet their actions, as stated in this article, have effectively deprived in excess of 300,000 kids of opportunities most would otherwise not have................


23 posted on 08/15/2004 10:19:48 AM PDT by DKM
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To: gcruse

"Are you really in favor of discriminating against kids based on religion?"

Are you really in favor of homosexual boy scout troops?


24 posted on 08/15/2004 10:20:13 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: nightdriver
ALL religions (including atheism) are "discriminatory" by definition.

So, the Boy Scouts is a religion, now.  This get weirder by the minute. 
25 posted on 08/15/2004 10:20:40 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
Right now everyone is just assuming that you are a liberal. How do u feel about I for one have already stated I think we should be allowed to choose, or "discriminate" who joins a private club regardless whether they are kids or adults.

But where do u stand? are u a conservative just trying to get us take a stand? a liberal asking this because you have a sneak agenda? a reporter maybe? Im just curious why you are asking everyone the same question, and what ur view is. U dont have to answer but i hope u do.
26 posted on 08/15/2004 10:21:55 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok (DNC- "We have made a clone. We shall call him Minnie Dukakis")
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To: jocon307

Are you really in favor of homosexual boy scout troops?


Homosexuality is a religion? We're discussing discrimination based on religion.
27 posted on 08/15/2004 10:22:51 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: BraveMan

This is just sad.

I've been involved in Scouting for three years. Den Leader and Asst. Cubmaster.

Boy Scouting USA is an impressive organization who so far has continued to resist with all strength the all out assault on our values.

See my tagline and see how I really feel.


28 posted on 08/15/2004 10:23:18 AM PDT by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: gcruse
No we are discussing discrimination, and when it's appropriate. His point is valid and your not the unofficial moderator of this thread.
29 posted on 08/15/2004 10:24:50 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok (DNC- "We have made a clone. We shall call him Minnie Dukakis")
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To: gcruse
"So, the Boy Scouts is a religion, now."

Incorrect, prejudicial inference.

30 posted on 08/15/2004 10:25:29 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok
How do u feel about I for one have already stated I think we should be allowed to choose, or "discriminate" who joins a private club regardless whether they are kids or adults.

Good.  At least you can answer without going into defensive mode.  I think discriminating against kids based on religion is horrible.  But it is in fact a private outfit.  However, it should then be ineligible for any form of taxpayer support.  We all pay taxes, not just some believers.
31 posted on 08/15/2004 10:26:40 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
IOW, yes, you are in favor of discriminating against kids based on a religious test. Is it so hard to say it right out?

What's wrong with discriminating against kids based on a religious test? Synagogues don't allow non-Jews to belong to them and Catholic churches don't allow non-Catholics to be fully-communing members. Shoot, even the Masons require a belief in a Supreme Being, and as everyone knows, they're Secretly Behind Communism! ;-)

Are you saying it should be illegal for a private organization to set its own membership standards? Or do you only oppose discrimination based on religion and think it's fine and dandy alone any other lines?

Are you aware that religion is the proper arbiter of what is right and wrong and that non-religious people with morals, ethics, or ideals of any kind are parasitic hypocritical bags of sh*t?

32 posted on 08/15/2004 10:27:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok
No we are discussing discrimination, and when it's appropriate.

Not me.  I have been asking a question based solely on religion.
33 posted on 08/15/2004 10:28:00 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
Homosexuality is a religion?

In this day and age, it's sure starting to seem like it...
34 posted on 08/15/2004 10:28:34 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong.)
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To: nightdriver


Well, no. I asked if the BSA keeping kids out based on religion was discriminatory.

You responded --

"ALL religions (including atheism) are "discriminatory" by definition."

We weren't discussing whether religions were discriminatory, but whether the BSA is.


35 posted on 08/15/2004 10:30:24 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Are you saying it should be illegal for a private organization to set its own membership standards?

Not at all.  I just asked if you were in favor of religion being a condition of membership in a nonchurch.
36 posted on 08/15/2004 10:32:35 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
"Are you really in favor of discriminating against kids based on religion?"

Which religion is being discriminated against?

37 posted on 08/15/2004 10:33:52 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Kerry’s OTC Lt. Thomas W. Wright said, "three of us told him to leave.” He was VOTED OFF the island!)
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To: gcruse
Not at all. I just asked if you were in favor of religion being a condition of membership in a nonchurch.

Of course. Why should that be a problem?

I don't get what's bothering you. Maybe Knights of Columbus should open its membership to non-Catholics or American Atheists should open up its membership to the internally logically consistent?

38 posted on 08/15/2004 10:34:55 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: gcruse
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
And to obey the Scout law.
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake,
and morally straight.

That oath still has meaning to some people. If you can't take it and mean it, don't join.

39 posted on 08/15/2004 10:35:13 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: gcruse

Why would a guy like you want to join the Gideons anyway?


40 posted on 08/15/2004 10:35:46 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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