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Cheers, jeers at immigration town hall meeting(John and Ken ALERT)
North County Times | Saturday, August 14, 2004 | EDWARD SIFUENTES

Posted on 08/14/2004 7:33:19 PM PDT by Conservative Firster

TEMECULA ---- A town hall meeting that was supposed to ease concerns about illegal immigration in the region left many frustrated with top federal officials.

More than 900 people attended Friday's raucous meeting at Margarita Middle School in Temecula. Most were there to support recent immigration sweeps that have captured hundreds of illegal immigrants but appear to have been halted by immigration officials.

Hundreds of additional people were left waiting outside the school's auditorium. Many in the crowd showed their anger at illegal immigration with brooms, picket signs and messages on T-shirts.

Latino advocacy groups from San Diego and Riverside counties, including those who earlier this summer held rallies to protest the sweeps, were noticeably absent at Friday's event.

The town hall meeting was organized by U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista, who wrote a letter to immigration officials in June supporting the sweeps and asking that they be expanded to other areas of the country.

Department of Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson and other officials told the crowd that enforcement operations would continue, but they deflected questions from the audience about when and where they would occur.

Hutchinson would not call the operations "sweeps" because he said the term implies "indiscriminate" arrests.

"When I say 'indiscriminate rounding up of people,' that's when you don't have reasonable suspicion," Hutchinson said. "You are acting upon what they look like, and that is the fear that we don't need among those people who are legally in our country."

From June 4 to June 22, a total of 492 people were arrested in Escondido, Corona, Ontario and other areas north of the border by a squad of 12 Border Patrol officers, called the Mobile Patrol Group. The squad arrested people on street corners and outside supermarkets and swap meets.

Immigrant rights groups protested the sweeps, calling them discriminatory. Latino representatives in Congress asked that the operations be stopped. Soon after, the operations appeared to be discontinued.

Hutchinson issued a letter in late June saying that the Temecula station acted "within its legal authority," but that the operations were not "pre-approved" by the agency's Washington, D.C., headquarters.

The crowd at the meeting wanted answers, primarily to questions about why the sweeps stopped and when they would resume.

Hutchinson's answers did not please some in the audience.

"It's just lies and the same old garbage," said Emily Cressman of Oceanside.

Before the meeting, more than 1,000 people stood in light rain outside the school auditorium. Cars that could not get into the school's parking lot overflowed into the streets.

While waiting to get in, many people carried picket signs in support of the Border Patrol, which read, "High five for the Border Patrol."

Another sign read: "Illegals: bag 'em, tag 'em, deport 'em."

Some people carried brooms and signs that said: "Keep sweeping."

Those who attended traveled from as far as Fullerton, San Juan Capistrano and Costa Mesa. Popular radio talk show hosts John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou publicized the meeting on their show and attracted hundreds of listeners.

Inside the auditorium, the crowd became restless and often interrupted the speakers with jeers.

At one point, Issa was booed by the audience when he said, "This is my microphone, I paid for it."

"No, we paid for it," several people answered back.

Issa and Hutchinson answered questions from the audience for nearly two hours. The issues raised at the meeting ranged from overcrowded schools to Mexican identification cards and driver's licenses.

Hutchinson touted increased efforts to arrest illegal immigrant fugitives, stepped-up labor enforcement and more high-tech resources for immigration agencies. Nationwide, 500 companies have been audited to check for illegal immigrant workers. In Southern California, 179 businesses have been targeted, he said.

Some in the audience showed their skepticism frequently interrupting speakers saying that illegal immigrants were taking jobs away from U.S. citizens and depressing wages for all workers.

One speaker from the audience fell into tears when she described running out of materials for her classroom because of overcrowding.

"You are right, that's the enormous social cost (of illegal immigration)," Hutchinson told the woman. "My responsibility is to reduce that burden through border control."

Outside the meeting, several hundred people gathered in the school's parking lot listening to the proceedings on speakers.

Former Lake Elsinore Mayor Kevin Pape was among those not able to get a seat inside.

"You've got a group of people here who are very concerned, and they're not getting any straight answers," Pape said. "They're (Hutchinson and Issa) speaking in generalities with no specifics. People are concerned and their concerns are not being addressed correctly."

Staff writer John Hunneman and the Associated Press contributed to this report. Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-5426 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.


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"It's just lies and the same old garbage," said Emily Cressman of Oceanside.
1 posted on 08/14/2004 7:33:22 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: Conservative Firster
Yes, it's the same old garbage. There are some "conservatives" (e.g. WSJ editorial page) that essentially favor open borders to provide abundant labor. I've begun to suspect that the people who run this country are quite willing to absorb the whole of Mexico for economic reasons .
2 posted on 08/14/2004 7:43:47 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Conservative Firster

George W. could lose the election because of this.


3 posted on 08/14/2004 7:55:23 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty
George W. could lose the election because of this.

Do you seriously believe that Kerry would be any better?

4 posted on 08/14/2004 8:01:14 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: freekitty
George W. could lose the election because of this.

Not if people wise up and realize everyone will lose the immigration war if Kerry gets elected.

5 posted on 08/14/2004 8:03:01 PM PDT by b9 (Stuck in Bob Filner's district. Go Giorgino!)
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To: freekitty
George W. could lose the election because of this.

John Kerry is anti-Mexican?
That could fly.

6 posted on 08/14/2004 8:03:12 PM PDT by Happygal ('No one works harder for his money than the man who marries it.')
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To: Conservative Firster

Both groups are pandering so hard to the illegal aliens that it is sickening. Pretty soon they will claim that it is "profiling" if you pick up illegal aliens as they cross the border.


7 posted on 08/14/2004 8:10:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: PAR35

Who says you have to vote for John Kerry?


8 posted on 08/14/2004 8:12:26 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty
Who says you have to vote for John Kerry?

First, I didn't say that, but I'll answer your question anyway.

Since there are only two viable candidates, a voter is either helping Bush get elected or helping Kerry get elected. For example, in most states, a vote for Nader helps Bush.

You posited as to the issue of border control: George W. could lose the election because of this..

A Bush loss would mean a Kerry victory. So, I'll repeat the question I asked in response. "Do you seriously believe that Kerry would be any better?"

If you prefer, I can depersonalize it. "Does any one who would help Kerry defeat Bush seriously believe that Kerry would be any better?"

9 posted on 08/14/2004 8:28:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: freekitty
George W. could lose the election because of this.

Bush is bringing the military from European nations that no longer need the aid back home. I wonder if he'll use them at the border. Terrorists keep getting caught sneaking in. It would guarantee a Bush landslide. There will be 70,000 military personal available.

Kerry comes from the "land without borders" crowd. He'd open us up for all kinds of attacks.

10 posted on 08/14/2004 9:19:48 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: gubamyster

PING


11 posted on 08/14/2004 9:42:05 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: concerned about politics
Bush is bringing the military from European nations that no longer need the aid back home. I wonder if he'll use them at the border. Terrorists keep getting caught sneaking in. It would guarantee a Bush landslide. There will be 70,000 military personal available.

I'd be interested to know which nations we are leaving. Can I dare hope Germany is one of them?

12 posted on 08/14/2004 10:17:00 PM PDT by Grani
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To: Conservative Firster

"You've got a group of people here who are very concerned, and they're not getting any straight answers,"

'Fancy that. LOL This is nothing but election year politicing. The appearance that the Bush Administration cares. What a joke.

Perouka will close the borders and throw the illegals already here out. He'll be getting my vote. He'll also put a stop to outsourcing and insourcing. Skeptical? At least he'll try, unlike the two party business monopoly.


13 posted on 08/14/2004 10:19:32 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; ...
More on the Hutchinson-Issa Town Hall Meeting.

Issa was booed by the audience when he said, "This is my microphone, I paid for it."

"No, we paid for it," several people answered back.

Cheeky bastard: zero; concerned citizens: big one!

14 posted on 08/15/2004 12:44:38 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Grani

Yes, Germany is included. Big reduction of troops in Germany.


15 posted on 08/15/2004 1:35:18 AM PDT by sd-joe (Bush has power, while Kerry has only ambition)
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To: Conservative Firster; B4Ranch; Sabertooth; shaggy eel; gubamyster

<< ... "that" is the fear that we don't need among those people who are legally in our country." >>

Bullshit.

"That" is the essense of the reassurance -- especially while our Nation is engaged in a war for our very survival -- that is the basic entitlement of and absolute right of every American and legally-aspiring American.

We the People have given over to our feral government the responsibility of defending us against our every foreign [And domestic] enemy.

And have sat idly by as the self-annointing, self-appointing and self-perpetuating permenantly-staffed machinery of our feral government -- become tyrannical in the [Seven plus decades ever-more-relentlessly in the grip of the operatives of the vast criminal enterprises and we call the "DemocRATS"] process -- has become with and of our enemy.

God save our beloved FRaternal Republic.

[Perhaps especially FRom its 'trusted' servants]

BUMPping


16 posted on 08/15/2004 3:01:17 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- and A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: Grani

<< [May] I dare hope Germany is one of them? >>

Pretty much so. I believe an initial reduction of around an effective 30,000 Men.


17 posted on 08/15/2004 3:04:52 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- and A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

bttt


18 posted on 08/15/2004 4:15:08 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: freekitty
George W. could lose the election because of this.

If George W. loses the election it will be because of this.

19 posted on 08/15/2004 4:40:22 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Perouka will close the borders and throw the illegals already here out. He'll be getting my vote.

Mine also, EW. I'll never again vote for the "lesser of two evils". If Kerry wins, maybe the Republicans will finally step out of their serapes.

20 posted on 08/15/2004 6:47:00 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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