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Here in CA our brain-dead bored and boring politicians decided to pass laws to protect pedestrians. Now, in any situation, it seems, where there are cars present, the pedestrian has the right-of-way.

My observation is that CA pedestrians almost challenge me to hit them. They are so aggressive that CA has got to have the highest pedestrian fatality rate in the nation.

That aside, this is absolutely heartbreaking, however, for all involved.

1 posted on 08/14/2004 10:56:42 AM PDT by PinnedAndRecessed
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I feel like that when I'm driving through Oakland in Pittsburgh when during the school year. The college kids are just begging to be hit.


2 posted on 08/14/2004 10:59:54 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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My observation is that CA pedestrians almost challenge me to hit them.

I know what you mean. They trust my brakes a lot more than I do.

If a Californian were to go to Florida and step off the curb into the path of a car the way they do here they'd be bouncing off the pavement.

3 posted on 08/14/2004 11:00:16 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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My observation is that CA pedestrians almost challenge me to hit them. They are so aggressive that CA has got to have the highest pedestrian fatality rate in the nation.

Sure seems like Californians lead the nation in risky, death-defying behavior.

And if the crazies don't get you, the natural disasters will!

4 posted on 08/14/2004 11:01:13 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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This is the truth. In the smart growth planning and traffic calming projects our elected officials actually approve using bicyclists and pedestrians as "moving traffic calming devices".

They encourage pedestrians and bicycles to walk and ride on the busiest most dangerous roads, ostensibly to slow drivers down. The purposely put bike lanes between two lanes of automobile traffic, they design bus stops so people have to debark in the middle of the road and cross lanes of traffic to get to sidewalks.

The engineers and politicians who plan these roadways have an utter disregard for human life and safety, and should be removed from their jobs/offices.

Traffic Calming: A nightmare for citizens
5 posted on 08/14/2004 11:05:33 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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My observation is that CA pedestrians almost challenge me to hit them. They are so
aggressive that CA has got to have the highest pedestrian fatality rate in the nation.


ABSOLUTELY 200% TRUE.

And I say that as after about 7 years with lots of driving AND pedestrian experience
in the West Los Angeles Area.

These passive-agressive @$$Hole pedestrians come in all sorts of shapes and sizes.
BUT, the aged ones seem to be The Gray Panthers of Assinine Traffic Obstruction.
My personal thought is that these must be ill-tempered transplants from New York
and the East Coast. Or the urban paradises of Europe.

My own personal favorite Obstructive Pedestrian of All Time Award Nominee?
Late one night I was driving north on Sepulveda and stopped at (IIRC)
National for a red light.
As soon as the light went green I was just about ready to regularly drive on...but maybe
being a little tired AND noticing that the car to my left (I was in the right-hand lane)
hadn't pulled forward caused me to halt.

Just then I noticed a fellow laid FACE-down on a body-length dolly paddling himself forward
in the pedestrian zone...about two feet in front of me.

If I'd have driven forward and crushed/killed this urban "pedestrian",
I, to this day, have no idea if I'd killed some terribly "down and out"
medical case...or a prone version of Eddie Murphy faking disability in "Trading Places".
6 posted on 08/14/2004 11:09:54 AM PDT by VOA
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LOL. What a bunch of heartless people you are.


8 posted on 08/14/2004 11:15:55 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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They do that here too ---- at the schools, they have the kids just stepping into traffic --- the students are told they have the right of way --- no one wants to "inhibit" their rights to tell them they should still stop, look both ways, and listen before crossing a street or that the car coming toward them could have a drunk or otherwise impaired driver.


9 posted on 08/14/2004 11:17:12 AM PDT by FITZ
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I refer to the illegal immigrant population as street people, I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen more often. Here in Texas they're everywhere and they'll walk in front of you daring you to hit them. I think they take pride in getting in people's way...some sort of power trip.


11 posted on 08/14/2004 11:22:37 AM PDT by 38special
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Sounds like this happened in a residential area and if the Pathfinder was going the legal 25, it should have been able to both spot her and stop easy.
I have a Pathfinder and I could have avoided that accident easily.

The person who hit the people fled the scene and there is no way they did not know they made contact, so they were speeding I am sure.

I do agree people walking should watch where they are going also though.
Want to see a bunch of stupid people? Leave any church parking lot after a service and you will see the brain dead walking in front of all the cars.


12 posted on 08/14/2004 11:24:31 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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My observation is that CA pedestrians almost challenge me to hit them.

Maybe the same behavior has migrated to Seattle. I see people here doing stuff that I wouldn't do on a bet, and I'm a hardened East coaster.

I also wonder if West coast drivers don't really expect to see pedestrians around in neighborhoods; as if everyone drives everywhere. I feel I have to practice defensive walking because these folks don't know what a pedestrian looks like.

13 posted on 08/14/2004 11:24:48 AM PDT by radiohead
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Here the favorite trick is walking (and I do mean **walking**) across, say, eight lanes of interstate...not to mention that jaywalking is the local sport, especially in the districts where I suspect the vote leans more heavily demonrat.

So if a ped is walking across an interstate in CA, do you have to yield if you're in a vehicle?


14 posted on 08/14/2004 11:25:07 AM PDT by Felis_irritable
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It's true that two people were slaughtered (one of whom is still evidently hanging on by a hair).

But on the other hand, a driver didn't have to wait.

What's more important?

It's true that in this case the driver's been arrested, which can be viewed as counter-productive. But if you look at the big picture, you'll see that millions of drivers get home minutes sooner than they otherwise would... and they only have to kill a few thousand pedestrians a year to acheive that supremely important goal.

After all, if you get home a few minutes late, you might miss the start of your favorite TV show.

Can't have that.

Drive fast.

Mow down whatever's in your way.

That's the way to do it.

Speeding for nothing.

And death for free.


16 posted on 08/14/2004 11:29:53 AM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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Agressive pedestrians? Doing what? Crossing the street in crosswalks?

You do realize that you are required to yield to a pedestrian at all times if they are in the street?


19 posted on 08/14/2004 12:13:46 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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My observation is that CA pedestrians almost challenge me to hit them.

I almost hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk on a rainy Sunday night in Walnut Creek, California when I was there on business. It was one of those crosswalks that did not coincide with an intersection, and an out-of-towner would not expect it to be there. Visibility was terrible, the crosswalk light was a dim flickering little candle, and this idiot crosses the street and STOPS in the middle of the street when he realized I was skidding toward him.

That is probably the only car I have ever driven that had anti-lock brakes, but I am here to tell you (and so is the pedestrian) that they work.

Thank you, God.

32 posted on 08/14/2004 1:32:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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34 posted on 08/14/2004 1:50:04 PM PDT by traumer
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I got my first Ca. driver's license in 1964; pedestrians had the right-of-way then; it goes way back.


36 posted on 08/14/2004 2:07:27 PM PDT by Old Professer (The harbor master is largely unconcerned with the direction of the tide - only its amplitude.)
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