Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

In many ways, Ms. Maier is typical of France's intelligentsia, overeducated and underemployed...Workers remain at their jobs until retirement, stymieing the promotion of those below them, she argues, yet a system of patronage and stiff legal protections make it difficult for employers to fire anyone.

Sounds like the U.S. federal and state gubbamint employees.


1 posted on 08/14/2004 8:07:59 AM PDT by ppaul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: ppaul
If you look at John Kerrys lack of voting records and read this, you'd fiugre John Kerrys running for the wrong country.

VOTE JOHN KERRY! LABOR LEADER TO THE FRENCH 2004!

Bush/Cheney '04- antisocialism canidates!

2 posted on 08/14/2004 8:18:21 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood (Zing!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
The book is a counterpoint to efforts by the country's center-right government to repair the damage done to French work habits by decades of Socialist administration, which enacted a 35-hour workweek.

Wow, how did that tidbit of truth sneak past the Socialist cadre at the Times? Some hapless editor is going to get their butt kicked for allowing that sentence into print...

3 posted on 08/14/2004 8:20:31 AM PDT by Zeppo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

Might help explain why that airport terminal collapsed. "Gangrene from within."


4 posted on 08/14/2004 8:22:36 AM PDT by edweena
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
She has some good points about the corporate structure, especially her nod to the Dilbert Principle (the incompetent will thrive and rise to the top in a corporate environment), but I think this factoid about the woman is telling:

In many ways, Ms. Maier is typical of France's intelligentsia, overeducated and underemployed. She studied economics and international relations at the country's elite National Foundation of Political Sciences, or Sciences-Po, before earning a doctorate in psychoanalysis.

Underemployed? I would think unemployable with credentials like that. What does she expect out of life? She's basically studied herself into a life of extreme uselessness. No wonder she got bored and rebelled.

5 posted on 08/14/2004 8:24:36 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
"Everything depends on what school you went to and what diploma you have," she said, arguing that advancement is slow and comes less from ambition than from endurance. "French corporations," she says, "are not meritocracies." Workers remain at their jobs until retirement, stymieing the promotion of those below them, she argues, yet a system of patronage and stiff legal protections make it difficult for employers to fire anyone. Years of such stagnation in France's hierarchy-obsessed society have produced elaborate rituals to keep people busy.

I guess it is hard to be motivated under those circumstances.

Her employer of 12 years was not amused. Irritated that she identified herself as an Électricité de France employee on the back cover of her book, company officials wrote her a stern letter accusing her of inattention at meetings, leaving work early and "spreading gangrene from within," just as her book advocates. They demanded that she appear for a disciplinary hearing, though the original Aug. 17 date has been pushed back to September. That's because Ms. Maier is going on vacation.

LOL! They proved her point; doesn't sound like she's going to get fired.

Her solution? Rather than keep up what she sees as an exhausting charade, people who dislike what they do should, as she puts it, discreetly disengage. If done correctly - and her book gives a few tips, such as looking busy by always carrying a stack of files - few co-workers will notice, and those who do will be too worried about rocking the boat to complain. Given the difficulty of firing employees, she says, frustrated superiors are more likely to move such subversive workers up than out.

Reminds me of my brief employment at the IRS...
6 posted on 08/14/2004 8:34:54 AM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

My brother goes to France a few times a year for his job and he told me everytime he meets someone new either at a party or a club they always say they have a job that people here would consider hobbies. "I`m a painter - I collect coins - I`m a gardener - I play guitar - I`m a sculptor - I breed cats" Don`t know if it`s true like that for everyone in France, but if it is, I don`t know how the hell that country functions.


7 posted on 08/14/2004 9:05:52 AM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (Never forget: "We will take things away from you for the benefit of the common good"-Hitlery Rodham)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

This is one of the reasons why France will probably be an Islamic state in about 20 years. The immigrants from Muslim countries probably are working a lot harder and they won't have to worry about any resistance.


8 posted on 08/14/2004 9:19:39 AM PDT by Wonderama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
for which she is paid about $2,000 a month.

2 gees can't go far in France. She must have a poorer lifestyle than most working class families in the U.S. Ah well, to each their own.

9 posted on 08/14/2004 9:24:08 AM PDT by jordan8
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

It doesn't seem like they need much encouragement.


10 posted on 08/14/2004 9:27:34 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
How I hate socialism. My ex-sister-in-law, a Belgian, told me: "Why should I work? The government pays me and, if I work, I would get very little more than I do now."

This capitalist was appalled. Socialism goes against human nature- it's unfair and it eventually collapses.

15 posted on 08/14/2004 10:29:40 AM PDT by austingirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

bttfl


16 posted on 08/14/2004 10:33:56 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
New York Times channels Wonkette
17 posted on 08/14/2004 10:36:53 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul; All
The author is fugly:


20 posted on 08/14/2004 10:40:32 AM PDT by nwrep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul
The title of this article is libelous to real sloths.

They survive quite well in the wild without any government assistance at all. Some even manage to be entertaining to the rest of us while doing so.

23 posted on 08/14/2004 11:03:22 AM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

She apparently is not familiar with the Steel Workers. They have earning wages while minimising work to a fine art.

Anything beneficial to the company is hated as bad as Bush.

Work is a game......what can I not do today.

Having ruined their own industry, steel workers have branched out to any company with employees dumb enough to certify them.


25 posted on 08/14/2004 11:13:45 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul; TheBattman; Budge; Happy2BMe; steplock; Captain Peter Blood; Lauratealeaf; mountainfolk; ...
"Sounds like the U.S. federal and state gubbamint employees."

HEY!

While your point is well made, some states, such as Arkansas, make it a particularly attractive option. Here you have a third of the people living off the state, a third of the people working for the state and the remaining third make up the rest of the work force...including those jobs done by illegals, of which there are many. Arkansas has the most rapidly growing population of illegals in the country. The benefits with many jobs are sadly lacking or nonexistent. State law here doesn't even require breaks, other than lunch.

I was happy to get my state job, after 5 years of a job where I worked my butt off in horrible working conditions. After the first year, the company yanked everybody's insurance benefits except for upper management. I made enough to keep the bills paid, but not enough to ever get ahead, and I d**n sure couldn't afford to get sick or, heaven forbid, die. At least now, I don't have that worry so much.

That said, there is plenty to criticize about the state, and I'm sure the same can be said of any other state government as well. If an efficient and cost effective way can be found to do something, you can bet it was by accident and you can count on them to correct it post haste. If something starts to make sense, they will change it until it doesn't, and their answer to everything in the state of Arkansas is to raise taxes some more. The corrupt RATs here never met a tax they didn't love. We already have some of the highest and silliest taxes I've ever seen anywhere, and yet there is seldom, if ever, an opportunity that slips by that they don't get the issue of more taxes on the ballot, and if they can find a way around presenting it to the voters at all by calling it something else, they will. The state is always complaining about being poor, but they never seem to think it might be because we are taxed to death.

One of the supervisors in my office always tells me that I have to learn to quit trying to use common sense because there isn't any and that although our mission statement implies compassion, he says that there is only room for compassion when the state's @$$ is covered...thanks to the lawyers.

Any other Arkansans, state workers or otherwise, have anything to add?

26 posted on 08/14/2004 12:13:38 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul

I actually applaud this womans message. She is merely pointing out the futility of working hard in such a controlled economy. In an entrepeneurial or ownership society, it is worth it to work hard. In a socialist economy, there is absolutely no reason to excel and there is very little economic freedom, hence no opportunity to benefit yourself.
She is just pointing out the rational frustration of somebody who is working for the benefit of somebody else(the state).


28 posted on 08/14/2004 1:08:38 PM PDT by Betaille ("Show them no mercy, for none shall be shown to you")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ppaul; Mr.Atos

Heck, even the 20th century Soviets worked harder than the 21st Century French. Granted, the Soviets' motivation was to NOT end up dead or in Siberia, but at least they actually worked to support their government. The French apparently have no such desire. I love France, as a life-long student of architecture, art, culture and history, and I have met some wonderful French people. It pains me to see them rotting themselves into oblivion. I wish that they could cut off that cultural gangrene. But lacking that, I wish they would just keep the stench to themselves.


34 posted on 08/16/2004 2:12:49 PM PDT by dueler88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson