Posted on 08/11/2004 12:45:43 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
Besides the recounts done by the newspapers, the Dems also had around a thousand military ballots thrown out which would have been reinstated had the Gore recount altered the outcome, so it wasn't even as close as the newpapers said.
Plus there is a genuine question as to whether the dimpled chads Gore was trying to count were votes at all. The president of the company that made the punch card machines testified in (Sander Saul's?) court - the 2nd highest FL court, that the machines couldn't make those marks unless there was more than one ballot stuffed in them. That's why he ruled against Gore before the FL Supremes reversed him. He declared there was no evidence there were any uncounted votes. He's a Democrat by the way. Where those dimpled chads came from is unclear. It may have some connection to the Palm Beach County Democrat who was arrested with a punch card machine in his possession a day or two after the election.
By the way, shouldn't the burden of proof be on HIM to show that the certified election result was wrong?
And if the judicial must decide an election which would you rather it be? The hack Florida Supreme Court? The local Justice of the Peace? or the SCOTUS?
It's a no-brainer. Not rocket science.
2. The networks, including Fox, first called Florida for Gore - before all Florida polls were closed. This likely cost Bush thousands of votes in conservative panhandle region.
3. As stated in #1, Gore's suits were filed in only those counties he figured he could pick up votes. Recounts done by the media indicated he would not have won.
4. Most, if not all, the counties Gore contested were controlled by Dem machines. Even the design of ballots!
5. There was evidence that Dems were up to no good around the rest of the country. In Wisconsin, students at Marquette were caught voting for Gore multiple times. In St. Louis, Missouri, polls were kept open past closing, with a resulting flood of 'last minute' votes showing up.
6. So too Multnomah County, Oregon, where the Deputy Secretary of State (in charge of elections) was on record before the election as telling Gore he 'would deliver' Oregon. Gore won there by less than 3,000 votes, and the heavy-democrat Portland area kept polls open past closing. Video showed cars driving up to the elections center with bags of ballots.
7. Finally, in perhaps the most egregious example of how little dems think of our troops, military ballots in Florida were rejected by dem attorneys.
2. The networks, including Fox, first called Florida for Gore - before all Florida polls were closed. This likely cost Bush thousands of votes in conservative panhandle region.
3. As stated in #1, Gore's suits were filed in only those counties he figured he could pick up votes. Recounts done by the media indicated he would not have won.
4. Most, if not all, the counties Gore contested were controlled by Dem machines. Even the design of ballots!
5. There was evidence that Dems were up to no good around the rest of the country. In Wisconsin, students at Marquette were caught voting for Gore multiple times. In St. Louis, Missouri, polls were kept open past closing, with a resulting flood of 'last minute' votes showing up.
6. So too Multnomah County, Oregon, where the Deputy Secretary of State (in charge of elections) was on record before the election as telling Gore he 'would deliver' Oregon. Gore won there by less than 3,000 votes, and the heavy-democrat Portland area kept polls open past closing. Video showed cars driving up to the elections center with bags of ballots.
7. Finally, in perhaps the most egregious example of how little dems think of our troops, military ballots in Florida were rejected by dem attorneys.
I "sweetly" remind these UN-INFORMED people that the US Supreme court did NOT SEEE-LECT--Bush-- as we've all heard ad nauseum!----
---rather-- they said ALL Florida's Counties MUST be counted(nevermind that all kinds of media recounts etc had been done--with Bush winning, in varying numbers)--
However the clock had just about "expired"-- It was near middle of December!
The Florida Supreme Court(all Liberals) really over extended their "effort" to SEEE-LECT their boy-gore!---and the rest is history!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000 should clear it up
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm this is another link that I have squirreled away
The butterfly ballot in Florida was designed by Democrats. It was approved by Democrats.
The Democrats in Florida objected to the butterfly ballot only after the election had already taken place.
They used the same butterfly ballot in Illinois. But the Democrats didn't object to the butterfly ballot in Illinois. That's because the Democrats won in Illinois.
Pat Buchanan had a past history, before the year 2000, of getting a lot of votes in certain parts of Florida. That's because he lives there, and because a lot of people there were registered in the Reform Party. It should not be a surprise that people who were registred to vote under the Reform Party would vote for the Reform Party. It should not be a surprise that Pat Buchanan got as many votes in this election as he got in past elections.
I think there were 25 counties in Florida where the Democrats said there were voting problems. 24 of these counties were controlled by Democrats. The other one was controlled by independents.
In other words, Democrats made no claims of voting problems in the counties that were controlled by Republicans.
The Democrats are just a bunch of sore losers, and would-be cheaters.
I've found that works pretty well.
Yeah, we've all heard the speeches and the news articles:
"One million (or ten million, or a billion) African-Americans were denied their right to vote in Florida in 2000.
No matter what number the libs throw in there, I always come back with: "There is no evidence that even one person, let alone a million, was denied the right to vote in Florida. If a person was properly registered, showed up at the correct polling place during voting hours and cast his ballot according to the instructions, his vote was counted."
The left wants us to believe, absent such evidence, that there were many, many such cases. I saw no instance of a Black person saying something like:
"Yes, I got to the polling place but the white people, led by the sheriff and flanked by police dogs, just would not let me cast my ballot."
The best argument they can come up with is some nonesense about "roadblocks." It is certainly possible that traffic had to be re-routed due to patterns caused by many people attempting to go to a few, select places (the polls) at peak hours. I have encountered "roadblocks" each and every time I've attempted to go to a sporting event, a concert, or a big parade. You get there early, park several blocks away, and walk the rest of the way if you have to.
The liberals foment anger in the Black community by acting like we are still in the 1950s or 1960s and the country still treats minorities the way they were treated in Watts or Selma or Mobile. It is one of the biggest, ugliest lies of the left, and that covers a lot of territory.
There were also some that filled in 3 of the 4 straight party bullets - so nothing counted.
The democRATS started with the hand counting in an obvious attempt to change votes.
The sad thing about Gore's attempted theft is that democRATS probably undermined our election process, and the sanctity of a secret ballot for all time, in an attempt to hang on to Executive power. I sure as hell do not want my ballot scrutinized to see of the votes I cast were what some Gore supporter thinks I meant to cast.
I do not think most democRATS believe in the "stolen election". I think they want power so badly, and consider Bush and the republicans so evil, that keeping him/them out of the White House is worth breaking any law, or stealing any vote in order to do so.
IMO, What happened on election night is this: the state was (finally, and rightfully) called for Bush. Gore called Bush to concede. Then, Daley gets on the phone to Gore and says "what the hell do you mean you already conceded!? We've got the votes....don't ask where, but trust me, we've got 'em! Now call him back and un-concede!". Obviously, they had tried punching a bunch of ballots en masse, and the punching machines failed, leaving the hanging chads, so the rats decided to go the "hand recount" route to find more votes.
Even if the theft did not involve vote fraud (which I doubt) how on Earth can the Dems defend against that accusation?
The theft and the outrageous dismissal of charges are a matter of historical fact. The police records exist.
We have the Dems by the short hairs but refuse to employ our advantage.
My notes (made in 2000) follow.
Forgotten in the hectic closing days of the Florida fiasco is the matter of the stolen Votomatic.
It was found after the election by Palm Beach police in the car trunk of one Mr. Slosberg (sp?) a Democrat politician who was not a member of any canvassing board.
Treating it as a possible theft the police dropped the case when the Democratic leader of the Palm Beach Canvassing Board, Ms. LaPorte, decided not to press charges.
It was, obviously, entirely incorrect for this to be treated as only an attempted theft. This Votomatic could have been used to fabricate votes for Al Gore. It could have also been used to create 'overvotes' thus spoiling any ballots that voters made for Bush. (Gang-punching votes for Gore on voters' ballots would spoil those which were originally voted for Bush.)
It could have been used to fabricate votes in Palm Beach or in other nearby Florida counties such as Broward or Miami-Dade. It could have been used after the election or before the election.
The argument that Gore would have carried a statewide count is irrelevant since a statewide recount was never made and we have no way of knowing.
The argument that Gore won the popular vote is mute also. it is not the popular vote that matters but that of the electoral college. We are a representative Republic not a democracy. Also estimates of ineligible voters who participated in the election range anywhere from half a million to 3 million, mostly illegal aliens etc. and they naturally would have voted for Gore. If those votes would have been invalidated as well they should, Bush of course would have won the popular vote as well.
Some people have a hard time accepting that they lost. Heck, the left still can't accept that the Soviet Union collapsed and Stalin wasn't such a nice guy after all.
You will never get them to change their minds, but this one is a big one.
"According to Sammon, a study commissioned by Democrat strategist Bob Beckel admitted that Bush suffered a net loss of up to 8,000 votes in the Panhandle after the networks called Florida for Gore"
I agree with you 100%, TSSYF, and that's generally the feeling I've had about the whole thing. Didn't clintoon and reno announce that the justice dept. was going to "investigate" these allegations? Is there a specific investigation that was carried out that refutes these allegations? Again, it's damned hard to prove a negative, but in the minority community this is yet another conspiracy theory that is taken as fact, like the CIA invented crack to target blacks, or that Jews were the ones that owned the slave ships, or Korean grocery stores are somehow responsible for blacks not doing well etc. etc.
Just say no
NOTE - SCOTUS did not 'select' Bush, all they did was overturn the illegal ruling made by the SCOFL - period, end of story.
In addition, there was two rulings by SCOTUS and the one that overturned the SCOFL 'counting ruling' was 7 to 2!! NOT 5 to 4 as the liberals leftists claim. I have that whole fiasco seared in my mind, seared I tell you, as if it was yesterday. Just like Kerry's memories of Cambodia -- only mine are true!
An aside; Equally important and always ignored now by the left is that there has been at least SIX recounts by major news organizations (maybe eight). And in every recount, under every counting method used by the dems, BUSH STILL WINS. Hanging chads, dimpled chads, pregnant chads - Bush Won.
In one counting scenario Gore came up as the winner. However it was IF all the 'non' votes (blanks) or 'over votes' were given to Gore. But those type of votes are always thrown out or not counted. That's never, no place, or under any condition.
SCOTUS Bush v Gore
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